RockWater analysis to make you a better investor and operator. Today we discuss Highmount Capital’s $100M+ investment into Dude Perfect, the company’s growth plans, how to model out their planned LBE business, and how we estimate Highmount’s ROI.
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Dude Perfect raised $100M for global biz expansion.
The deal is getting lots of buzz, but our team’s math signals challenges ahead.
Let’s break it down…
🤝DEAL DETAILS
$100 – 300M growth capital investment
Led by Highmount Capital (fund overview below)
Unclear if 100% invested upfront OR draw down of commitment over time
No previous capital raised
💰USE OF FUNDS
“Expand what we can create for families to actually use in their own homes”
Hire mgmt team to expand biz
More live experiences incl int’l tour, consumer products
Grow content formats, frequency, channels, global localization e.g. animation, TV, movies, streaming
Extend brand beyond 5 founders by building talent network
New HQ in Frisco, TX as prod facility and “family-friendly entertainment destination”:
Retail store, podcasts / gaming / fan UGC spaces, trick shot tower, DP museum, mini golf, restaurants
Original plans for 3-story, 30 acre facility est to cost $100M+, 2 yrs to build
👀COMPANY OVERVIEW: Dude Perfect
Digital-native comedy and sports media brand
Faith-based mission: “We’re about giving back, spreading joy and glorifying Jesus Christ”
Other YouTube franchises: “Stereotypes,” “Overtime”, “Bucket List”
Media brand also incl books, mobile games, board games and toys, and merch / retail / food and beverage partnerships
Half of YT audience is int’l
25 current team members
🚀PERFORMANCE HIGHLIGHTS
60M YouTube Followers, 17B views
Est 2024 revenue: $50M per DP
Est 2023 and 2022 revenue: $25M and $20M per WSJ
Consumer product partnerships incl Nerf toy line, Columbia Sportswear
Partnered with A Parent Media co to launch a streaming service
ESPN “30 for 30” doc premiering at Dallas Int’l film festival
TV series on CMT in 2016, later aired on Nickelodeon
Alternate broadcasts for Amazon’s Thursday Night Football
DP branded smoothie at Smoothie King
4 live nationwide tours as of 2023
📝ORIGIN STORY
Founded 2009 by 5 friends at Texas A&M
Cofounders = twins Coby and Cory Cotton, Tyler Toney, Cody Jones, Garrett Hilbert
Started as YouTube channel featuring trick shot videos
💡INVESTOR OVERVIEW: Highmount Capital
Growth stage and middle mkt PE fund for tech, media, healthcare
Founded in 2023 by Jason Illian and David Hawkins
4 total team members on website + 1 advisor
3 team members have faith-based ties per bios
2 team members previously worked at Koch Industries
No other investments listed on website other than DP
🤔What else I find interesting…
I really like and support the trend of increased investment into YouTubers and digital-native media brands.
But as I wrote about in my 2024 State of Creator x Media M&A and fundraising reports (here and here), investment has to match the market and opportunity size.
To ensure good ROI, and to set good precedent for future investment into our space.
This Dude Perfect bet is exciting, but seems overly optimistic based on our team’s prelim math…
🤔How we’re modeling potential investor ROI…
The ROI analysis for a $100M investment is important for creator economy investors and operators to understand.
Here’s some context…
I’ve seen ROI analysis for a $100M direct investment into a family-based entertainment destination in Frisco, TX – shout-out to my colleague Michael Booth’s analysis, shared below.
But I’m also curious to Highmount Capital’s angle in being a large minority owner of all of Dude Perfect over a medium-term hold period.
So here’s my math to break it down…
Dude Perfect estimates 2024 revenue of $50M.
And Highmount invested $100M.
Assume Highmount targets a 40% ownership stake (which is high, but I’ll explain why below).
That implies a $250M total valuation, and a forward revenue multiple of 5x.
(that’s a high media multiple, particularly for a forward number. But if I assumed a 30% ownership stake, that implies a $333M valuation and a 6.7x forward multiple! I’m trying to keep this number within the upper bounds of market reality, and it already feels stretched…).
Then assume Highmount targets a 25% IRR over a 5 year hold period, which equates to a 3x gross return on invested capital (IRR targets for growth PE is 20 to 30%+).
That means Dude Perfect needs to get to a $750M valuation.
Assuming no multiple expansion, a 5x forward revenue multiple implies a future revenue hurdle of $150M (750 / 5 = 150). That’s a 3x revenue increase from 2024E…a big jump!
At 40% ownership of $750M, that implies $300M total value of ownership stake, or a tripling of Highmount’s investment in 5 years. Of note, a tripling of revenue is aggressive growth across all monetization channels, from ticketed events and advertising to consumer products and licensing.
Lots of work to do for the DP team and their newly hired mgmt!
Further, that IRR target assumes there’s some type of liquidity event at the end of 5 years i.e. there’s a buyer of the Dude Perfect biz at $750M. Today in 2024, I can’t think of a buyer with strong strategic synergy that has the funds to do that type and size of deal.
Maybe possible in the future though….
💡Two other interesting angles on Highmount’s potential LPs…
Dude Perfect has a faith-based mission: “We’re about giving back, spreading joy and glorifying Jesus Christ”.
Three members of Highmount’s leadership, including their two founders, have faith-based affiliations per their website bios.
Makes me wonder who the LPs are in Highmount – could be parties who have faith-based investment mandates, where financial ROI may not be the only metric for success.
Think church pension funds, religious groups, HNIs, and family offices.
Of note, I’m not personally aware of much PR or press coverage of faith-based organizations investing in the creator economy. This could signal a new trend worth paying attention to, or simply that more press coverage is needed.
I mean, one could say that religion is the OG of the creator-based economy…but that’s for a separate blog post.
And speaking of LPs, it’s also worth noting that Highmount’s CEO and COO are both former Koch Industries (“KI”) execs. KI is the 2nd largest private company in the US (after Cargill) and is estimated to do over $125B in annual revenue and employ over 120,000 global employees. KI CEO Charles Koch and his political network are also major donors to Republican and libertarian causes.
KI is based in Wichita Kansas, and Highmount’s website lists offices in both Wichita and NYC. Makes me think that KI or affiliated parties could be a meaningful LP in the new Highmount fund, and thus have a meaningful influence on Highmount’s future investments.
Again, I can’t confirm any of this, as I’m just speculating.
Overall, I look forward to tracking the growth of Dude Perfect, the new Highmount fund, and its future creator x media investments.
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I’m the founder of RockWater Industries. We do financial and strategy advisory for media, agencies, and creator economy. From M&A and fundraising to consumer research and go-to-market planning.
Now some more analysis from Mike Booth on our team…
ROI Analysis of Dude Perfect’s $100M Raise
By Mike Booth
Am I getting punked? 🤔
Dude Perfect raised $100M from PE, which I love — big investors coming into the Creator Economy is great for business. The kicker – Dude Perfect is spending the $100M to build out their rendition of Disneyworld in metro Dallas. Its essentially an amusement equipped with sports courses, F&B, and some retail concepts all packaged into one. What?!
The economics for this plan are never going to pencil.
$100M is way too much to spend for build out and construction.
Theme parks aren’t high margin businesses. For reference Cedar Fair Entertainment Company (owner of Cedar Point) operates at 6% net income margin and Six Flags operates at 3% net income margin.
Dallas isn’t the right market. It’s not even the top tourism destination within the Texas (shout out San Antonio). To justify a $100M build out Dude Perfect will need a very high amount of traffic (think Las Vegas, Orlando, New York, Atlanta, etc.).
Say the average Dude Perfect attendee spends $100 and the net margin on each attendee is 5%. Simply put, every attendee = $5 profit. Dude Perfect would need 20M attendees to recoup a $100M initial investment (let alone budget for renovations, new attractions, etc.)
Los Angeles MSA’s population + annual tourists combine to 70M per year.
Six Flags Magic Mountain (metro LA) has 3.5M visitors per year. 3.5/70 = 5% capture rates.
Let’s stipulate for the sake of argument that Dude Perfect’s entertainment venue instantly becomes just as popular as Six Flags (it won’t).
Dallas MSA’s population + annual tourism combines for 35M. Say Dude Perfect pulls off a 5% capture rate of their addressable market (a major feat). That comes out to 1.75M guests per year.
At a $100M build out cost, $10 profit per guest, no reinvestment into facilities, and 1.75M guests per year –> it will take six years for Dude Perfect to recoup their initial investment.
That’s way too long of a payback for a location based entertainment attraction.
Quick-growing private companies like Topgolf average 2 years for payback
Whereas bigger amusement parks like Six Flags average 3 years for payback.
Net / Net – there are so many exciting things that Dude Perfect could do to grow its brand — expanding their content suite, launching CPG brands, or creating upstream film / TV properties.
I’m left perplexed by their decision of apeing into theme parks. What am I missing?
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Mike is a Director at RockWater Industries. We do financial and strategy advisory for media, agencies, and creator economy. From M&A and fundraising to consumer research and go-to-market planning.
Gen Z’s search behavior is different than that of Millennials. They want bite-sized “vibe checks” w/ no fluff.
As in, no extended personal stories of chefs before a blog-based food recipe.
And short videos of restaurant views, ambiance, and food in under 10 seconds.
I feel that.
Historically, my lifestyle search + purchase flows consisted of…
🥘 Yelp + Eater for restaurants, reservations via OpenTable or Resy.
👩🍳 Google search for recipes, then saved in my Paprika 3 app.
✈️ Tripadvisor for travel, then booked via Expedia Group (RIP Hipmunk).
🛒 Wirecutter for tech + gear, or just go direct to my fave brands like Burton Snowboards or Patagonia
But after playing around with the TikTok search and Collections folders this AM, and finding some rad San Diego restaurants with ocean views in less than 30 sec of searching, I’m sold on this new search flow.
Excited to put this to use for my upcoming 2 week southeast US road trip at the end of August 😉 “Things to do in Asheville / Charleston”, here I come TikTok.
Which also makes me excited for new purchase and commerce flows TikTok will experiment with…table reservations, flight bookings, food ingredient delivery, and more!
…also has implications for the new recommendation algos being put in place by FB / IG, but that’s a separate post 😉
Dude Perfect, known for their viral sports-themed YouTube channel, will host alternate broadcasts for a still-to-be announced amount of Thursday Night Football games this season.
Regardless of how ‘sacred’ a sporting venue or event is deemed by its most faithful, the reach of successful creators, coupled with engagement metrics that mainstay sports could only dream of, presents an opportunity to attract younger fans that can’t be ignored.
By coupling their $1B investment in Thursday Night Football rights with the ethos of portfolio-co Twitch, Amazon is betting that Dude Perfect will unlock a new tranche of fans that were previously uninterested in NFL broadcasts. For those more interested in traditional football coverage, Al Michaels and Kirk Herbstreit will still narrate the main broadcast.
However, fans of Dude Perfect will have the opportunity to watch some of the world’s most popular creators doing what they do best, “mastering the impossible”. The simulcast will feature their usual fanfare, performing dunks, stunts, and tricks from their HQ in Texas.
Amazon wants to create an “opportunity for families to watch together”, but I’m not sure that’s what this activation will accomplish. As sports media broadcasters look to engage new fanbases, a segmented approach which addresses each audience group on an individual basis does more to divide an audience than it does to unify them. I’m certain that more total fans will tune into Amazon’s various broadcasts than they would have otherwise, but I’m bearish on the fact that they’ll watch together. More likely, each fan will simply tune into the broadcast tailored for their fandom, and ignore the rest.
Recommendation media is overtaking social media. The Winners: platforms & micro creators. The Losers: mega creators.
Social media (Instagram, Snap, et al) rely on social graphs to distribute content, whereas recommendation media (TikTok and YouTube) rely on interest graphs to feed an all-knowing algorithm which then distributes content.
In social media, building followership creates exponential growth, because each new follower acts as a distribution node to audiences that a creator’s content previously wasn’t reaching.
At maturity this dynamic creates a small group of mega winners who effectively capture a platform’s programming power.
Once that programming power is captured, it is tremendously difficult for micro creators to scale their reach.
Conversely, in recommendation media followers are much less valuable to scale a creator’s content distribution.
Recommendation media algorithms are constantly optimizing to farm the most engaging content, meaning every view is a battle between creators for quality.
This levels the distribution playing field between mega and micro creators.
It also gives programming power back to platforms (after it was taken by mega creators in social media).
When platforms control the algorithm, they control content virality.
I like Michael Mignano’s quote here:
“In recommendation media, it’s ultimately up to the platform to decide what type of content gets recommended, not the social graph of the person producing the content. In contrast to social media, recommendation media is not a competition based on popularity; instead, it is a competition based on the absolute best content. Through this lens, it’s no wonder why Kylie Jenner opposes this change; her more than 360 million followers are simply worth less in a version of media dominated by algorithms and not followers.”
Some things it makes me think about:
How will this change affect influencer marketing? More campaigns done at the platform level for sponsored trends VS product placement on a mega creator posts?
How will platforms exert their newfound programming power long term? They could start building their own in-house content that super serves their algorithm. Think Netflix originals, but for TikTok.
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Hi readers,
Back on the east coast after a great time in LA last week. Also, the nor’easter came and went, and I’m thankful for this edit.
Now on to today’s M&A deal breakdown…
The Podcast Consultant bought Rise25 in August, its second deal of 2026 after Sundial Media in June. Terms undisclosed, which is standard for the smaller end of the market.
So I called the buyer.
Karl Hughes, owner of The Podcast Consultant, walked me through how he actually paid for the deal, which changed from his first deal a few years back. His 2023 purchase of TPC was 75% SBA loan, with a personal guarantee and his other company pledged as collateral. On Sundial and Rise25 he used no bank financing…the most recent Rise25 deal was 30% cash at close, 30% deferred a year, and 40% seller note over five years.
And he guaranteed none of it personally. A material deal term improvement as Hughes scales his M&A rollup.
The key takeaway for me is that financing in our industry is still being established at both ends of the spectrum.
Creator tech raises on standard venture terms. Creator x social marketing agencies are increasingly well understood by private equity and peer strategic buyers. But YouTube channels, social publishers, podcast shops…a lot of buyer and financier education is still needed, and underwriting structures are not yet standardized. For example, I’m seeing proposals of seller paper on deals for below $1M of EBITDA, and then up to $100M in revenue.
Below I compare Hughes’ two capital stacks side by side, how he positions a seller note to founders before diligence even starts, and who is bidding at each end of this market.
Done-for-you B2B podcast agency; strategy, production, distribution
Sells podcasting as a business development channel, not an audience play
Founded 2015 by Dr. Jeremy Weisz and John Corcoran
Acquired by The Podcast Consultant, Aug 12, 2026
35+ staff globally
Company Highlights
60+ clients on the roster at close
#116 on Inc’s Midwest Regionals fastest-growing list, 2023
Brands featured or worked with incl Salesforce, Mattel, Nordstrom, OpenTable, LendingTree, Atari, Tony Robbins
Proprietary tooling incl a “Podcast Copilot” platform and a Dream200 target-account roadmap
Weisz has hosted Inspired Insider since 2011, after six years producing Mixergy
Corcoran launched Smart Business Revolution in 2012, 1,500+ interviews
Founding Story
Weisz and Corcoran started Rise25 in 2015 after using podcasts to build their own businesses…Weisz runs a chiropractic facility and a supplement biz, Corcoran is an attorney and former Clinton White House speechwriter
Their insight was that B2B founders wanted the relationships a podcast creates, not the downloads. They positioned the show as a referral engine with guest booking targeted at people the client wants to meet
Of note, Rise25 was exploring its own rollup strategy before it sold. Feb 2023 buy box: $200K to $1.5M gross revenue, $100K minimum EBITDA, no client over 40% of TTM revenue. Weisz said in late 2023 they wanted 1 to 2 podcast companies that year, though I found no evidence they closed any deals
Business Model & Services
Done-for-you production…
Full-service show management for B2B clients. Retainer basis, price not published.
Strategic guest booking…
Outreach aimed at prospects and referral partners. In the retainer, six-month minimum.
Power Hour sessions…
Standalone recorded interview sessions. $1,000 per session.
Production add-ons…
Cover art $350, voiceover intro/outro $450, hosting around $15/month.
Owners & Selling Shareholders
Weisz and Corcoran held the equity as co-founders, no disclosed outside capital
Corcoran has written that he sold his shares in this deal to go full time on his new AI venture
Financials
Not disclosed
Select Capital Markets History
2015: Founded by Dr. Jeremy Weisz and John Corcoran, bootstrapped
Aug 2026: Acquired by The Podcast Consultant, terms undisclosed
–BUYER: The Podcast Consultant–
Overview
Podcast production agency for financial services, professional services, higher ed
Building a multi-brand group of B2B media production cos
20+ audio engineers, editors and producers
Owned by Karl Hughes and Manuel Weiss
HQ in Chicago
Company Highlights
100M+ total downloads
10,000+ episodes produced since 2015
Clients incl Colossus (Invest Like the Best), Capital Allocators, Ark Invest, Franklin Templeton, WisdomTree, CFA Institute, Columbia Business School
Two acquisitions closed in 2026… Sundial Media in June, Rise25 in August
Hughes has published targets of $2M to $3M revenue in 2027 and $4M to $6M in 2028, via more deals
Hughes and Weiss say on their portfolio page they’re building toward a 2030 exit
Founding Story
Founded 2015 by Mathew Passy, who built TPC as a specialist for finance and investing shows, which need higher-touch production and compliance review
Current owner Hughes came from the other direction…ex-startup CTO, founded developer marketing agency Draft.dev in 2020 and grew it past $2.5M of revenue by 2022
Hughes got the idea to buy rather than build from search fund alum at Kellogg School of Management (Northwestern). His reasoning: if a bank will lend a random MBA grad the money to buy a company, why not him
So he hit an entrepreneurship-through-acquisition conference in Chicago, built a list of 100+ podcast agencies on Sales Navigator, and cold-DM’d them. Passy of TPC thought the first message was spam (shows why resilience matters in M&A!)
Hughes considered 200+ agencies and spoke to 40 before landing on TPC, and closed on the acquisition in 2023
Business Model & Services
Show production…
Audio and video editing and finishing, remote recording, show ops for 80+ active shows. Monthly retainer, rates not published.
Launch and strategy…
Show design, format and launch for new corporate programs. Project fee, not published.
Compliance-aware production…
Extra review layers for RIAs, asset managers and wealth firms. Built into the retainer, and the reason clients in this niche don’t shop on price.
Shared services across the group…
Production, ops, client support, tech and admin run centrally. Internal, no external fee.
Financials
Not disclosed. Only public figures are from the 2023 change of control, see Capital Markets History below.
Select Capital Markets History
Oct 2022: Karl Hughes and Manuel Weiss sign an LOI for TPC acquisition
Apr 2023: Deal closes. High six figures on roughly $750K of revenue and $250K of SDE, call it 3x SDE. Funded 10% cash / 75% SBA 7(a) / 15% seller note. Price and SDE are based on Hughes’ appearance on the Acquiring Minds podcast, treat as approximate
Jun 2026: Acquires Sundial Media. Sundial brand retired
Aug 2026: Acquires Rise25. Rise25 brand retained
–DEAL DETAILS–
Overview
Announced Aug 12, 2026. Terms not disclosed
Jeremy Weisz becomes Director of Client Success, leading sales and partnerships across the whole portfolio, not just Rise25
John Corcoran exits to build Smart Business Revolution AI, a generative engine optimization agency
Adam Hendricks, who came in with Sundial, runs ops for the group
Hughes moves off day-to-day sales toward group strategy and more M&A
Hughes met Weisz in 2025 through a friend in Entrepreneurs Organization (EO) Chicago
Deal Structure
Hughes walked me through the directional structure of both 2026 deals:
30% cash at close, from cash on hand rather than borrowed
30% deferred one year, contingent only on the seller doing the handoff work
40% seller note over five years, monthly payments at market rate, option to pay off early
The note adjusts on first-year performance
If revenue falls below a threshold, seller note payments can be paused, and if above, can be paid off early
Legally, the company itself is the only guarantee
No personal guarantee from Hughes, none from the other brands in the group
Of note, Hughes’ deal terms adjust over time as he learns what sellers want… some want a job, some a partner, some just the purchase price
Strategic Rationale
Buyer (The Podcast Consultant):
Buys a client book in a segment TPC’s brand doesn’t currently reach…founders and SMB owners rather than regulated finance
Gets a salesperson in Weisz, who has 15 years of podcast relationships
Adds scale under a shared back office
Hughes: “Rise25 has built an incredible system for helping B2B businesses generate ROI”
Seller (Rise25):
Gives one founder an exit and the other a role at the new owner
Corcoran wanted to build an AI consulting business and needed liquidity
Weisz keeps the part he likes, sales and relationships, without having to own the P&L
Weisz: “The Podcast Consultant shares our commitment to making podcasting effortless”
Post-Deal Operations
Rise25 keeps its brand and operates independently… rise25.com is still live and makes no mention of the deal
Back office consolidates across production, ops, client support, tech, admin
–WHAT ELSE I FIND INTERESTING–
Two capital stacks, three years apart
Let’s put Hughes’ two capital stacks next to each other.
2023, buying TPC:
10% cash at signing
75% SBA 7(a) loan, 10-year term
15% seller note over five years
Personal guarantees, plus a guarantee on Draft.dev, the agency he already owned
2026, buying Rise25:
30% cash at close, out of pocket
30% deferred one year, contingent on handoff
40% seller note over five years
Company-only guarantee, nothing personal
Bank financing and the personal guarantee are gone from the 2026 deals.
SBA requires a full, unconditional personal guarantee from every owner holding 20% or more. Hughes’ description of 2023 was that you pledge all business and personal assets, houses included. In contrast, a seller note carries no such requirement. Sellers rarely ask for it, and buyers don’t volunteer it.
Why did the bank leave?
SBA eligibility rules tightened and the partnership no longer qualified. Hughes says this happens every few years as US presidential administrations change the program’s rules, which is worth knowing if you’re a buyer counting on that money.
Here’s why that program is important for subscale creator deals.
Banks don’t want to lend against asset-light digital services, because there’s nothing to repossess. A small podcast agency is a client list, industry expertise, a few contractors, a small production studio, and some B2B software. The only reason a $750K shop gets a loan is that the government guarantee absorbs most of the bank’s downside. If you remove it, the asset class is challenging to underwrite for a traditional lender.
Which makes the seller note here financing of last resort. The only reason it works is that the seller is the one lender who understands the collateral…since they built it themselves!
So the financing risk didn’t go away when the bank did. The seller took part of it on.
How he positions his offer to founders
Here’s how hHughes positions his offers to podcast co owners: before deep diligence, he tells the seller what the structure will look like. In specifics. If the seller doesn’t want paper they say so early, and both sides can walk away before spending time and money on deeper diligence.
Speed is part of the offer too. Hughes says it won him two of three deals i.e. no SBA clearance, no credit committee.
(NOTE: the 3 main seller criteria we see at RockWater is speed, price, and certainty. Price is often not the deciding factor, and being creative across these 3 points helps us get deals done.)
So what is a seller relying on to get paid back?
Hughes’ answer was reputation. He intends to keep buying, and a buyer who stiffs a seller stops getting deals…especially in a market this small, where he’s sourcing targets himself and the sellers all know each other, or can easily pick up the phone for a reference. He’s also a future seller, with a 2030 exit in mind.
And his practical point: working something out with a counterparty beats a bank or a courtroom. Repeat-player incentives are how most small-business M&A actually gets done, and they’re more reliable than enforcement via written contracts.
(SIDE NOTE: litigation is brutal, and I know from an incident early in my career. One of my biggest professional mistakes was not settling out of court, and instead being driven by ego to “make a point” that ended up costing me tons of time and a worse outcome. A story for another day.)
It’s worth remembering the seller’s POV going into a subscale size deal. They’re often eager, a bit isolated, carrying the business alone and wanting risk off the table. Seller’s remorse can show up in a lot of sales processes; a good advisor reminds the seller why they came to the deal table in the first place, and helps them have conviction both before and after deal close.
Who’s actually bidding, at both ends
Hughes’ POV on his competition is that he isn’t seeing many others doing what he’s doing. Not many bidders, no competitive sales processes. That means a seller at his target size gets an offer from him, or keeps operating the business.
That makes sense. Private equity and larger strategic buyers pay attention at bigger scale. And brokers skip deals this small because the fee doesn’t cover the work, or takes too much out of the seller’s pocket at close. Asset flipping marketplaces exist but don’t specialize in creator x podcasting, so they have a limited buyer pool.
On size, Hughes’ estimate is that there’s at least 100 podcast production companies with more than two employees. A small market. But the reason he likes it is churn…he puts annual revenue churn in these targets’ books at 5% to 10%, which for a services business is excellent. That translates to sticky business models, unglamorous VS larger “sexy” M&A, and at compelling price points because nobody else is actively bidding.
Hughes’ target companies also got me thinking about something else.
Remove the word podcast, and a B2B referral-engine shop looks like an SEO agency from twenty years ago. Recurring retainers, sticky clients, a small team delivering a service. Those have traded for decades. A similar business model, but in a new medium.
The top of the deal market is different.
Deals are clearing quickly for scaled digital x podcast x social marketing agencies, which have established M&A precedent; we cover these extensively on our deal blog. Creator tech trades like SaaS. Then there’s YouTube-native and personality-led media, with comps that we’ve covered in detail.
But precedent isn’t a standard.
Even on social marketing agency deals, the most well-trodden part of this market, I see a wide spread in structures that buyers propose e.g. majority cash at close with rollover equity. While others attach a seller note to a business doing tens of millions in revenue. Same category, same quality of asset, yet the structures look nothing alike. It gets less settled the further you move from the agency model toward YouTube channels and personality-led businesses.
What’s interesting for these businesses is who writes the big checks.
Dude Perfect, $100M+ from Highmount Capital, a fund about a year old at the time (our analysis)
Hot Ones, $83M, to a group led by Soros Fund Management, a family office (our analysis)
Complex, $109M, to NTWRK, a live shopping operator (our analysis)
These are buyers from outside the legacy media PE playbook. The buyer pool is widening, and it’s helping to define the new market I talked about in our 2026 RockWater predictions.
Getting reps in
Hughes is under 40 and spoke about his podcast rollup experience to date like a training program. He framed it as reps…”if you want to get good at buying and selling companies, go do it ten times.” Then you learn the systems for how to do it bigger and better each time over.
I’ve watched a lot of people grow in our creator industry. IMO he’s found a real niche, he’s built a system that works, and he’s compounding credibility with both sellers and lenders every time he closes on a deal and pays off the seller note. My guess is he sells this portfolio around 2030 and then runs the same playbook at five or ten times the size, in podcasting or somewhere adjacent within the creator x social space.
This is a guy and a business to watch.
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Hi readers,
Patrick Whitesell’s WTSL just made a strategic investment in Unwell at a $500M valuation. This is the first outside capital Alex Cooper and Matt Kaplan have taken since starting the business in 2023. The check size, ownership stake, and other deal details were all undisclosed.
What caught my attention was what Cooper said after the deal announcement, and in regards to the growth plan.
She told TheWrap she’s looking to acquire creative agencies. She told CNBC the agency arm will “rival financially the podcast business” by the end of 2027. So the plan is to grow through M&A, across both its media and brand partnership businesses.
That’s new for this category.
Personality-led media co’s have historically built their audience and revenue capabilities rather than bought buying them. Acquisitions happen, but as smaller bolt-ons while the company continues to scale up. Making M&A the core growth engine, and executing the inorganic playbook at scale, would set a new precedent for creator-led businesses.
Below: I walk through why this growth strategy isn’t yet widespread in our industry, what we found when we sized the network and what may or may not be included in this deal, why the SiriusXM ad sales rights are probably the most valuable thing within the Unwell umbrella, and what the trademark record says about how Cooper got her IP back from Barstool.
Spans podcasts, social, film/TV, live events, and a creative agency
Co-founded 2023 by Alex Cooper and Matt Kaplan, who serve as co-CEOs
Self-funded from founding until Aug 2026
Operates under holdco Trending
Roughly 100 employees
HQ in New York
Company Highlights
Call Her Daddy is the #4 largest podcast in the US (Edison Podcast Metrics)
13.3M monthly Call Her Daddy downloads (Podscribe est)
12 shows in the Unwell Network
70M women reached monthly
100M followers across the ecosystem
Unwell Creative Agency clients include Google, Babylist
There are press reports of team and leadership challenges. You can Google those – I don’t know what’s true VS speculation. Overall, there are some growing pains that need to be sorted.
Founding Story
Going back to the early days…
Cooper and Sofia Franklyn launched Call Her Daddy in 2018. Barstool signed them about a month later, on a 3-year deal that gave Barstool the IP
In 2020, contract talks blew up. The show went dark, Barstool founder Dave Portnoy said publicly he was losing about $100K per missed episode, and Franklyn walked. Cooper then re-signed solo. The deal that brought her back had the IP reverting to her in the future. Her line to Fortune: “The moment Dave Portnoy was like, ‘I will give you your IP,’ I was like, ‘Great, I will do anything'”
Cooper served out her Barstool term and then signed with Spotify in June 2021, a deal reported at $60M+ over three years. I believe Barstool kept no economics in the show, just a merch collaboration
Cooper and Kaplan (married 2024) launched Trending in 2023 as the holdco for their ventures, and the Unwell Network followed in Aug with Alix Earle and Madeline Argy as founding talent
Kaplan brought ACE Entertainment, his prod co behind To All the Boys I’ve Loved Before and XO Kitty. Per the co’s release, ACE’s “production, financing, and distribution infrastructure” folded into Unwell from the start
Disclosure: I worked with Kaplan and various members of the Unwell team during my time at AwesomenessTV
Business Model & Services
Podcast network…
12 shows. SiriusXM holds exclusive global ad sales rights to the audio and video eps, so Unwell does not sell its own network inventory. Fees come from the SiriusXM agreement (est $100M+ over 3 years, signed 2024) less rev share to hosts.
Unwell Creative Agency…
Launched Oct 2025. Creative and media work for brands, with Google and Babylist named. Project and retainer fees.
Film and TV…
Netflix (Icebreaker, Let’s Marry Harry), Hulu (Love Overboard, plus the Call Her Alex doc), Disney+ (Hannah Montana 20th anniversary special). Production fees and backend.
Live events…
Theater-scale tours plus branded activations at SXSW and Vegas. Fees via ticketing and sponsorships.
Consumer products…
Unwell Beverages, launched with Nestlé at Target in Jan 2025. Wound down Aug 13, 2026.
Ownership
Cooper and Kaplan retain majority ownership post-investment
WTSL’s stake was not disclosed
Financials
Unwell is private and has never disclosed financials. Cooper told CNBC the co has been “profitable since day one” and that the round “wasn’t about needing cash infusion.” The only revenue benchmark we have is from the SiriusXM deal mentioned above.
Select Capital Markets History
2023: Cooper and Kaplan founded Trending, self-funded. Unwell Network launches in Aug
Jan 2025: Unwell acquires the Going West and Cheers! podcasts, terms undisclosed
Oct 2025: Unwell Creative Agency launched as its own entity
Aug 12, 2026: WTSL makes a strategic investment at a $500M valuation
–INVESTOR: WTSL–
Overview
Investment firm founded by Patrick Whitesell, co-founder of WME and former Executive Chairman of Endeavor
Focused on media, entertainment, and sports
Backed by Silver Lake with a reported $250M commitment
Jason Lublin, Endeavor’s longtime CFO, joined as President and Partner in June 2025
Josh Pyatt joined as Partner in 2026 to run WIN Artists
Founding Story
Here’s an executive summary, because the Endeavor unwind is quite complicated → Silver Lake took Endeavor private in a ~$25B deal that closed in Mar 2025. Whitesell cashed out and departed, reportedly taking $100M at closing, and as part of the same transaction Silver Lake committed $250M to seed WTSL.
Separately, because Silver Lake co-CEO Egon Durban had bought about 7.5% of the Raiders, NFL conflict rules forced WME to divest its football representation biz. Whitesell took it and relaunched it as WIN Sports Group.
Three-part operating structure
WTSL is not just a check writer. There are three pieces of its business.
The investment arm buys minority stakes.
WIN Sports Group is a full NFL representation business, repping Joe Burrow, Justin Jefferson, and Nick Bosa.
WIN Artists, launched Mar 2026 under Josh Pyatt, manages athletes and entertainers building companies outside their primary field.
What’s noteworthy: WTSL bought ~10% of Peyton Manning’s Omaha Productions in Mar 2025, and twelve months later WIN Artists launched with Omaha named as a client. So they first bought an ownership stake, and then layered on their agency service offering.
One structural note. I couldn’t find a Form D for WTSL in SEC full-text search. A Form D is the short filing a private fund or company makes when it raises money under an exemption from full SEC registration, and it’s usually the first public datapoint from a fund. No Form D + a single named backer + the word “initial” attached to that $250M suggests the structure is a balance-sheet holdco VS a committed fund with a defined life. Aka long term, flexible capital that’s attractive to portfolio companies who don’t want to operate under a ticking clock.
Investment Portfolio
WTSL doesn’t publish a portfolio list. A few write-ups attached a list to this deal, but I couldn’t confirm most of it. Here’s what I could verify via quick research:
Mar 2025: ~10% of Omaha Productions at a valuation north of $750M, per CNBC sources
Jun 2025: joint venture with Universal Music Group on artist and estate IP outside recorded music, terms undisclosed
Mar 2026: led the Series A in Working Capital Partners, which lends against athlete and entertainer future revenue, terms undisclosed
Aug 2026: strategic investment in Unwell
–DEAL DETAILS–
Overview
Announced Aug 12, 2026
WTSL makes a strategic investment in Unwell at a $500M valuation (unsure if pre or post money)
Forbes framed the investment as into “The Unwell Network” specifically, where other outlets said “Unwell” broadly
Unwell’s first outside capital since its 2023 founding
Cooper and Kaplan retain majority ownership
Key deal terms are undisclosed
Strategic Rationale
Investor (WTSL):
Buys a minority position in a founder-controlled, profitable media co. Similar to the Omaha deal seventeen months earlier
Gets exposure to a top-5 US podcast without buying the whole business
Can attach WIN Artists to the roster like it did with Omaha Prod
Whitesell spent twenty years doing talent deals at WME, expert in the asset class
Whitesell: “Alex, Matt, and the team have demonstrated an exceptional ability to anticipate where audiences are headed”
Company (Unwell):
Cooper says the co didn’t need the money, which means the funding is for growth and acquisitions
I’d guess this wasn’t a quick process. A profitable co with no funding need doesn’t run a capital raise process… it takes meetings until an investor has an aligned vision and cultural fit is strong
Brings Endeavor-grade dealmaking to a corp dev function that was just stood up in 2026 under Samir Sama, ex-Raine Group
Cooper: “the company is now also poised to accelerate our media platform’s growth through acquisitions and investments”
Post-Deal Operations
Cooper and Kaplan stay on as co-CEOs
Joanne Bradford, hired as President in Apr 2026 out of Honey, SoFi and Pinterest, runs the operating business
No announced leadership or structural changes tied to the investment
Unwell Beverages wound down the following day
–WHAT ELSE I FIND INTERESTING–
Nobody in creator-led media has grown primarily this way…yet
Personality-led media co’s typically build their audience and capabilities organically, VS growing inorganically through M&A.
For example, Dude Perfect took $100M+ from Highmount in 2024 and spent it on a Texas HQ and executive hires, not acquisition targets. Dhar Mann built a YouTube studio to 200 people and a 125,000 sq ft Burbank lot without doing any acquisitions (though he hired a head of corp dev out of Jellysmack last year, so that may be changing). Mythical is an interesting datapoint… they bought Smosh out of the Defy bankruptcy in 2019, sold a majority stake back to the founders in 2023 while keeping a minority piece, and have since been divesting non core assets like the Sporked sale to Savage Ventures (our analysis).
Going back even further, The Ringer (led by Bill Simmons) and Team Coco (led by Conan O’Brien) both exited for nine figures without ever buying a company. Barstool (led by Dave Portnoy) did two small bolt-ons early on, but the talent and show roster was built, not bought.
The strategy is the same across all of them, which I wrote about back in 2020 (our analysis). Lead talent-as-founders with real taste, curate and empower the next tier of talent behind them. As I put it then, “many of the most popular fan favorites on the Barstool roster of 70 personalities were incubated from within,” and Simmons “uses his taste and instincts to curate a talented pool of personalities that align with, and expand the scope of, his voice.” Then as part of that strategy, companies often strike a few tentpole deals that lift everything underneath it. Team Coco did that, with a premium talent partnership like the Literally! with Rob Lowe show. Of note, the flagship show Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend was the anchor that incubated the whole network, and up-and-comer creators including his long time assistant, around it (our analysis).
As we assess the current creator-led media landscape, the closest precedent is Steven Bartlett. His prior agency business made a few small tuck-ins back in 2022 and 2023. But the creator company he’s building now was built organically (our analysis of their recent fundraise). And he came up in the business through agencies, so he was buying in a market he already knew. If Unwell acquires agencies, they’d be running that trajectory in reverse, going from media and audience into services.
Of course, the organic growth path for creator-led brands isn’t a sure thing either.
Bloomberg’s Ashley Carman just published a deep dive on Audiochuck, which is an organic build…Crime Junkie is still the #2 podcast in the US, and last year Ashley Flowers took $40M from TCG (our deal analysis), hired executives, and set out to diversify the business beyond herself. Since then roughly 30 of 100 employees have left including the new CEO, the subscription product plateaued around 75,000 members, the second-biggest show got canceled, and former programming partners are suing. Carman’s read is that it speaks to “the difficulties creators have when trying to diversify their businesses beyond themselves, having to cede control and partner with new people.”
Same problem Unwell has. Flowers hired to solve it, where Cooper plans to buy.
Of note, I don’t think this is only about agencies. Cooper’s line in the release was about accelerating “our media platform’s growth through acquisitions and investments,” which is broader than services. My takeway is that the target list runs across talent relationships, new show formats, and agency capability all at once… and they already bought two podcasts in Jan 2025, so the template exists on the media side too.
Which raises a question; do they have leadership who can acquire AND run social agencies, or is that outside the current in-house expertise? WTSL brings real deal chops, but integrating agencies post-close and continuing to grow them thereafter is a different beast entirely.
Marketing agency consolidation is something we’ve covered extensively on our deal blog, where the simplest industrial logic is cross-selling more services into more brand relationships. It just hasn’t been the growth engine of a personality-led media co before. New precedent, and we’ll be tracking it closely.
What we found when we sized the Unwell network
We did a review of the assets that could be part of this deal, starting with the network talent and shows.
The cleanest third-party data comes from Edison. Call Her Daddy is the #4 podcast in the US. No other Unwell show appears anywhere in Edison’s Top 50.
On magnitude, we use Apple US ratings counts as a rough proxy: Call Her Daddy has 163,458 against 17,365 for the other eleven shows combined. Cooper’s show is roughly 9x the rest of her network put together.
A caveat on that proxy…ratings accumulate over a show’s life, so an older show looks bigger than it actually plays today. But the gap here is quite wide and noteworthy.
There also seems to be two content networks, not just one.
Going West does 10,562 Apple US ratings on 2,667 YouTube subs. Audio-first, true crime, a 700+ episode back catalog that Unwell acquired in Jan 2025. In Your Dreams does 136 Apple US ratings against 27.9M YouTube views. Video-first, built in house.
There’s no single metric that values both halves; the audio AND the video businesses. Which is exactly the convergence we walked through in the Backyard Ventures analysis last week (our analysis)… podcast businesses are video businesses now, and the operators who win are the ones who can sell across both. Worth noting SiriusXM took audio AND video rights back in 2024 when they did the deal with Unwell. They saw it coming.
Which raises the question: what’s actually in this deal?
Forbes framed the investment as into “The Unwell Network.” Every other outlet said “Unwell” broadly. The beverage biz wound down the day after the announcement. ACE Entertainment still runs its own website with no Unwell branding on it. And we don’t know whether the SiriusXM contract sits inside the perimeter of this deal or alongside it.
For a diversified talent business, that distinction is key to the total $500M valuation. I want to know what’s in and what’s held back from the new WTSL partnership. At that valuation range, my bet is that it includes the SiriusXM partnership.
Here’s what I do find telling. Shows two and four by audience, Going West and Cheers!, were both acquired in Jan 2025. Terms undisclosed, and Going West still credits Dark West Productions as producer, which might signal more of a distribution or licensing deal than a clean buyout. Either way, a chunk of the network was bought or licensed rather than built.
Therefore, Unwell isn’t proposing something they’ve never done. They ran the experiment eighteen months ago at a smaller scale, and it seems to have been a good bet. With funding behind them I’d expect that to accelerate, through licensing as much as acquisition. More shows means more inventory, and inventory is what the agency business needs to sell against.
The Unwell ad sales rights are the prize
SiriusXM holds exclusive global ad sales rights to Call Her Daddy and the entire Unwell slate: audio and video, and current and future shows.
That’s the single biggest margin opportunity in the business, and Unwell currently doesn’t control it.
Last week we walked through what these sales rights and capabilities are worth. Acast paid $20M for Backyard Ventures, a podcast and creator ad sales business doing $16.1M gross bookings at 12% adjusted EBITDA, which equates to a 10x valuation multiple (our analysis). Backyard charges “industry standard” commission on brand revenue, which is likely in the 20-30% range based on our own client experience. Audioboom, which is public, runs a 21.5% gross margin on the same model.
So call it 20-30 points of margin that currently sits with SiriusXM rather than Unwell – though the counterpoint is that SiriusXM might be taking a smaller % spread when you net the upfront minimum guarantee paid each year to Unwell. Which siriusXM is prob glad to do in order to have a tentpole asset in its offerings for media buyers, which improves its client pitches and overall network sell-thru).
This makes me think about Omaha Productions as an informative benchmark.
Omaha counts Silver Tribe as a key sales partner, and Silver Tribe was itself bought by TPG-backed Initial Group last December (our analysis). So even with WIN Artists servicing Omaha, the company still needed a third party for D2C and brand partnerships. Unwell bringing network ad sales in-house would be a different answer to the same problem.
Buy or build that function and Unwell recaptures the spread, and more importantly owns the brand relationships directly. Those same relationships are what you cross-sell agency services into (and those new services are what Unwell now plans to go and acquire). That is very likely the math Unwell is running ahead of its renewal with SiriusXM, and in turn, it gives them significant deal leverage they don’t have today.
This is timely. The deal was signed Aug 2024 on a reported three-year term, but content didn’t start rolling out until 2025. If the clock runs from signing, they’re prob in negotiation talks right now. If it runs from launch, they have another year.
What I do know is that SiriusXM is in a strange spot to be renewing into. Their merger talks with iHeart collapsed in June over which stations would need divesting. Podcasting is their bright spot, up 30% in Q2. And they just became the exclusive US audio ad sales rep for YouTube, which their CFO said won’t contribute meaningfully until the back half of 2027.
So the Unwell renewal probably will be sorted before the YouTube deal pays off. Either SiriusXM needs this asset more than ever to hold their podcast momentum, or they’re stretched heading into it. Their equity market cap is roughly $9.5B against $9.45B of long-term debt, and content dollars are visibly migrating toward sports. To be clear, $42M a year is only about 3% of their guided free cash flow, so affordability isn’t the question…appetite might be.
(btw we represent some agencies that could bring these sales capabilities to Unwell. We look forward to talking with their corp dev team).
How Cooper got her IP back, and why it matters
I had Claude run the USPTO records.
Barstool filed the Call Her Daddy trademarks in Nov 2018 and owned them outright. The 2020 renegotiation is when the ownership changed. Portnoy had said publicly, “We’re not gonna do this deal if you don’t give us ownership of Call Her Daddy because it makes no sense.” Within weeks he’d conceded it to keep Cooper from walking. The IP assignment to Cooper was recorded in Nov 2021, and the marks now sit with Cooper’s holdco IP entity (TRNDG IP, LLC) alongside the Unwell portfolio.
Another interesting factoid: Barstool filed a Call Her Daddy mark for alcoholic beverages in 2019, took five extensions, and then let it go abandoned in Mar 2023. Cooper’s team filed Popular Vodka in Nov 2024.
There’s more research one could do here and I don’t know whether Barstool kept any future rev share in that 2020 deal. Portnoy has said the ongoing relationship was merch plus an unnamed project, with no revenue guarantees.
Of note, none of this changes the WTSL deal. But it matters for anyone building a talent holdco, because big talent will come and go, and how entry and exit deals get struck is something that any holdco operator needs to know how to navigate. Alix Earle walked out of Unwell with the Hot Mess IP in Feb 2025. Cooper walked out of Barstool with hers. Talent holdcos will be a foundation of the modern creator economy, and the ones that last will get these structures, in both the coming and going of talent, right.
On the $500M valuation, I just don’t know
A valuation attached to an undisclosed check is not a significant valuation benchmark IMO.
If the check is 1% of the cap table, that number cost the buyer very little to agree to. If it’s 20%, it’s a real price with real conviction, and likely material capital, behind it. Nobody has reported any of these details, and the press outlets can’t even agree whether it’s pre or post money.
We see much of this in early fast-growing industries, which includes the creator economy. People react to a headline instead of doing the work to understand what sits underneath it, and there’s almost always more nuance in these deals than gets reported. If you’re buying or selling in this space, knowing that difference is how you make good strategic decisions.
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Today we discuss Puck’s acquisition of Air Mail, a digital media and newsletter company covering culture, travel, fashion, politics, and lifestyle. We analyze deal details, strategic rationale, journalist-led media brands and how they’re financed, balancing talent empowerment AND parent co performance, and news media disruption.
Let’s break it down…
–SELLER: Air Mail–
Overview
Digital media and newsletter company covering culture, travel, fashion, politics, and lifestyle
Known for premium editorial tone, high-quality photography, investigative journalism, and satirical commentary
Targets high-income professionals, creatives, and international readers
HQ’d in NY with contributors and editorial staff across US and Europe
Founded in 2019 by Graydon Carter and Alessandra Stanley
Raised ~$32M from Standard Investments, TPG, dmg ventures, and RedBird Capital Partners
80+ associated members on LinkedIn
Founding Story
Before Air Mail, Graydon Carter served as Editor-in-Chief of Vanity Fair and Alessandra Stanley as New York Times’s Moscow and Rome bureau chief
After leaving Vanity Fair, Carter believed traditional magazines had become “too slow, too corporate, too disconnected from affluent, globally minded readers.”
Carter then raised funds to launch Air Mail as a digital weekend magazine delivered via email
The first issue was published on July 2019 featuring international reporting, crime stories, arts coverage, travel, fashion, and political satire
Company Highlights
Known contributors include Ashley Baker, Michael Hainey, and William D. Cohan
Estimated 500K total subscribers
Estimated $15M+ in annual revenue (March 2023)
E-commerce is ~15-20% of total revenue
In 2023, launched Italian and French editions
Air Mail’s Morning Meeting podcast: Weekly show covering news, culture, and notable stories with 260+ episodes, ranks in theTop 1% of podcasts
Business Lines / Service Offerings
Overview…
Digital media and newsletter publisher with revenue from subscriptions, luxury advertising, affiliate deals, e-commerce (Air Supply), events, and travel partnerships
Air Mail Digital Newsletter…
Weekly email magazine with premium editorial voice
Air Mail Travel…
Curated city guides, boutique hotel recommendations, and travel concierge partnerships
Podcasts & Audio…
Morning Meeting podcast: weekly news and culture discussion hosted by Graydon Carter and Ashley Baker
Events & Member Experiences…
Invite-only salons, book launches, and gatherings in NYC, London, and Paris to deepen loyalty and brand community
Capital Markets History
Oct ‘25 Acquired by Puck
Dec ‘21 Raised $17M in Series B funding from TPG, Standard Investments, and Redbird Capital Partners
Jan ‘19 Raised $15M in Series A funding from TPG and dmg ventures
–BUYER: Puck–
Overview
Subscription-based digital media company covering the power dynamics of Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, Washington, fashion, and culture
Serves executives and high profile audiences seeking “news behind the news”
Puck’s model positions journalists as the face of distinct newsletter “franchises,” with readers drawn to the personalities over the parent brand
Founded in 2021 by Jon Kelly, alongside co-founders John Thornton, Julia Ioffe, and Peter Hamby
In Jan 2024, Sarah Personette announced as CEO, took over role from Kelly
HQ’d in NY, with contributors and editorial staff in LA, DC, London
Raised ~$20M from British Business Investments, J Rothschild Capital Management, Forty North Media, Standard Investments, and TPG
70+ associated members on LinkedIn
Founding Story
Founded in April 2021 by former Vanity Fair and Hollywood Reporter editor Jon Kelly, a former mentee of Air Mail founder Graydon Carter
Founders believed traditional media undervalued star journalists, so built model where writers are treated as equity partners and creators
Business launched in September 2021 with four founding journalists and its first verticals: Wall Street, Hollywood, Washington, and Silicon Valley
Company Highlights
By November 2022, Puck had nearly 200k+ email subscribers, with 20k+ paid
Puck’s average newsletter open rate is ~70%, significantly higher than typical industry newsletter open rates of ~30%
Unique ownership model: writers receive equity stakes + bonuses based on new paid subscribers and subscriber retention
Business Lines / Service Offerings
Paid Digital Subscriptions & Newsletters…
Core revenue driver, includes verticals like “What I’m Hearing…” (Hollywood) and “Dry Powder” (finance)
Podcasts & Shows…
Flagships include The Powers That Be and The Town — news, media, dealmaking, and politics discussions led by Puck journalists
Sponsorship & Branded Content…
Brand partnerships across sectors like financial services, entertainment, and luxury goods.
Examples include cultural programming (e.g., the Tom Wolfe Literary Prize), live event series, and native newsletter placements
Capital Markets History
Oct ‘25 Acquired Air Mail for $16M for cash & stock
Apr ‘24 Acquired Artelligence, a newsletter publishing company, from Substack
Aug ‘23 Raised $13M in Series B funding from British Business Investments and J Rothschild Capital Management
Mar ‘21 Raised $7M in Series A funding from Forty North Media, Standard Investments, and TPG
–DEAL DETAILS–
Overview
Announced October 30, 2025
Estimated transaction value: $16M incl mix of cash and stock
Represents a loss for investors, who get back ~50 cents on the dollar, since $32M was initially raised.
Strategic Rationale
Expands Puck’s coverage into lifestyle and culture, adding to its existing strengths in politics, business, and entertainment
Brings Air Mail’s high-income, global subscribers into Puck’s growing paid membership base
Combines two subscription-first media brands that prioritize loyal, high-value audiences over mass traffic
Creates new opportunities for cross-promotion, bundled subscriptions, and premium advertiser partnerships
With TPG as a major investor in both companies, the deal consolidates its portfolio of newsletter-first media assets, positioning Air Mail as a bolt on to Puck
“Air Mail was always envisioned as the weekend edition to a digital daily news engine, and in Puck we have the perfect alignment,” said Graydon Carter
Post-Deal Operations
Julia Vitale becomes editor-in-chief of Air Mail
Graydon Carter, founder of Air Mail to step back as editor and transition to consultant role
Air Mail stays independent in voice but becomes Puck’s “weekend edition.”
Bundled subscriptions + shared login infrastructure to come in 2026
Joint podcasts, travel guides, and editorial collaborations in development
Sales, marketing, and membership ops to consolidate under Puck
Editorial teams remain separate but aligned on strategy
Air Mail migrates onto Puck’s subscription and analytics platform
–WHAT ELSE I FIND INTERESTING–
Journalist-led media brands are turning independence into sustainable subscription and ad-supported media businesses.
Puck and Air Mail were both started by former magazine editors who left to build paid newsletters for loyal, upscale audiences.
The Free Press, which recently sold for $150M to Paramount, followed a similar path (ourdeal analysis). Founder Bari Weiss left the New York Times in 2020 citing workplace hostility and lack of ideological diversity, and then launched TFP the same year.
And then just last week, the launch of Scalable Pod was announced, which followed the departure of Kaya Yurieff from The Information and Jasmine Enberg from EMARKETER. Both Kaya and Jasmine built large personal brand awareness and followings by leveraging their employer’s platforms, and then realized they could build a modern news media brand that they had owned (and did so via a JV with Whalar Group / The Lighthouse).
This is all part of a larger shake-up in traditional news media; see analysis at bottom for a more detailed analysis and POV here by our team. There’s also other helpful context here from Natalie Jarvey’s Like & Subscribe newsletter, which is one of a few newsletters under parent co Ankler Media.
This all raises a question about how these modern news publications are financing their media newco’s…
What is market precedent for financing a modern, journalist-led, news media co launch?
Here are some capital markets questions our team is asking based on the Air Mail / Puck deal…
What are the pros / cons of self-funding? Does it make sense to raise money? If so, at what point in the lifecycle of the newco launch? Can only mass-appeal journalists with big personal brands raise funding? Who are the types of investors funding these businesses?
Thanks to the trend of decreasing resource and cost requirements for getting a newco off the ground, there are many tools for creators and journalists that make it easy to build a D2C media business.
For example, Substack is a turnkey newsletter platform that takes 10% of subscription revenue, and manages all the infrastructure including payments, email templates and delivery, and analytics.
There are also incubators and accelerators for news media creators and journalists building their own D2C brands, including those by newsletter platforms Substack and Beehiiv, amongst others, which offer seed capital, product guidance, and distribution boosts in exchange for equity or revenue share.
This is such a win for the journalist and news media creator class.
But when the aspirations for a modern news media outfit are a bit more grandiose, we’re seeing significant money flow into the space, as well as key strategic partnerships to accelerate growth.
Let’s dive into a few examples…
Highlights of capital markets activity for journalist-led media brands.
While not an exhaustive list, a few deals stand out…
Bari Weiss and The Free Press – raised $15M in Series A funding in Sep 2024 and $1-5M seed funding in 2022, two years after launch. Main seed investors were angels including Marc Andreesen, David Sacks, former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz, and others. Rumors were $15M of revenue, unprofitable, sold for $150M to Paramount (our deal analysis).
Air Mail – raised $17M in Series B funding in Dec 2021 and $15M in Series A funding in Jan 2019, the founding year. Main investors were TPG (private equity), Standard Investments (diversified industrials / family office), dmg ventures (vc fund), and Redbird Capital Partners (private equity).
Puck – raised $13M in Series B funding in Aug 2023 and $7M in Series A funding in Mar 2021, the founding year. Main investors were British Business Investments (private investments), J Rothschild Capital Management (family office), Forty North Media (ad agency), Standard Investments and TPG.
Ankler Media – in 2022 raised $1.5M seed from Y Combinator and Dick Parsons’ Imagination Capital, Goodwater Capital, Pioneer Fund, FilKor Capital, and individual investors. Focused on paid subscriptions, got a $20M valuation. Founded by former The Hollywood Reporter editor Janice Min and Hollywood reporting veteran Richard Rushfield.
Scalable Pod – Launched in 2025, did 50-50 joint venture with Whalar’s Group’s The Lighthouse, which is providing capital (unknown amount, perhaps covering salaries and startup costs) and operational support including podcast studio space, production, branding and marketing, and advertiser sales. Cofounders maintain editorial control. Also joined Beehiiv accelerator, gets suite of resource to grow newsletter in exchange for commitment to Beehiiv platform.
Tucker Carlson & Megn Kelly – hired Red Seat Ventures to support content production, ad sales, and other admin / ops in building and running D2C media businesses after departing from Fox (but have now returned, read our deal analysis). Due to their national celebrity profiles and previous financial success, perhaps they self-funded launch. TBD if there were any minimum guarantees from RSV, or perhaps there were advertiser pre-sales.
So what are my takeaways from all of this?…
Modern news media companies are attracting investment from a diverse set of investors.
Investor types are broad, ranging from angels and VC to family offices and private equity.
Funding sequencing follows that of typical startups, where there’s a seed round to support launch, then larger growth rounds via Series A and B that follow over the next two to three years.
Subscription models by high-profile personalities or creative execs (e.g. print media editors or TV broadcasters) with an existing audience install base / national recognition, professional ops, and a track record of recurring reader revenues, are attracting the most funding.
Large national celebrities, who have significant financial resources, still seek professional services to scale up.
The investment thesis may not always be about financial ROI. Investors and wealthy individuals have a longstanding track record of investing in media, where the end goal is cultural and political influence (some similar investment themes in our deal analysis of Highmount investing in Dude Perfect). In this deal specifically, Air Mail raised about $32M and is getting back $16M in cash and stock, so they’re returning about 50 cents on the dollar. Not a great outcome…
Overall, these are just a few datapoints, so I don’t want to extrapolate any definitive financing models from a limited data set. But, I do believe these reference points do signal in broad strokes how these modern news media co’s are being built and financed.
Puck’s biz model incents writers to grow audiences = aligns with creator economy DIY values.
Puck ties writer pay to subscriber growth and retention, and gives their writers equity and incentives for audience expansion.
This is a savvy move. Writers are the company’s most valuable asset, and could walk out the door if not properly motivated. Just see the journalist defection list throughout today’s newsletter!
But, going it alone is hard. Just ask the long tail of the creator economy where most are not even earning a living wage. Therefore, Puck is striving to find the balance of both making journalists feel that they have ownership and independence in what they’re building, but also feel like they’re part of something bigger, and with professional support and community to achieve great success than if they were to do it alone.
I like this quote from Sarah Personette, Puck CEO, from a Digiday podcast earlier this year: “You almost have sub-brands under Puck that are franchises anchored by core talent versus in probably that first two years, it was a newsletter anchored by core talent.”
New business models that empower and retain high-profile talent within a larger corporate organization, is something that many companies within the creator space are working to figure out. A similar dynamic is playing out amongst talent representation firms, like management companies and agencies, and particularly those repping digital-native talent.
Over the past 5 to 10 years, the most successful influencer managers departed the big name firms (or refused to even join) and instead bootstrapped and built their own successful representation companies. Many generated outsized revenues and realized successful exits, leading to personal wealth faster than could have been realized if they went and worked for a traditional rep firm. Our RockWater team is grateful to have advised on some of these deals, like Dan Levitt’s Long Haul Management selling to Wasserman (our deal analysis), Chas Lacaillade’s Bottle Rocket Management selling to Night (our deal analysis), and Click Management selling to Gamesquare for $8.5M plus earnout (our deal analysis).
And today, the competition to retain star talent managers is FIERCE. As a result, there are new modern talent firms being built that strike to find the balance of (1) motivating up-and-coming talent reps to join a larger talent company platform, and maintain the ability to earn the majority of upside in what they build, (2) while concurrently driving parent co performance and building enterprise value for owners. These newcos are redefining the modern talent rep business model (NOTE: one of them is our client, is growing very quickly and is highly profitable, and now seeks a larger strategic partner to support larger growth ambitions. DM me if you want to learn more!)
Alright, that’s enough writing for today’s newsletter. We’ll close with some former analysis that provides some more context for today’s break down…
Traditional news media is broken. New digital-native journalists are on the rise, creating a major opportunity in the modern media landscape.
NOTE: We wrote about this in our analysis of Paramount buying The Free Press, and also in our analysis of Entertainment360 buying OManagement, a boutique news and personality talent management firm (our deal analysis). The breakdown is very relevant to today’s deal, so copying here for reference..
“More and more journalists are leaving TV networks, publishers, and newspapers to build their own D2C media businesses. They’re starting their own newsletters on Substack, YouTube channels, TikTok feeds, and podcasts. In turn, they’re becoming their own brands as traditional media fragments.
There are many examples here – Ben Smith left BuzzFeed News and co-founded Semafor, a global digital news platform; Matt Yglesias left Vox to start “Slow Boring” newsletter; Casey Newton left the Verge to start “Platformer” newsletter; Taylor Lorenz left the Washington Post to launch independent tech / culture reporting on Substack and TikTok…the list goes on. This is becoming big business, and traditional media is starting to re-think their news and talent business models – specifically, the departure of top political and news personalities from Fox (e.g. Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly), was one of the key drivers behind the landmark Fox’s acquisition of Red Seat Ventures in Jan 2025 (our deal analysis).
During COVID, John Krasinski’s Some Good News on YouTube showed how news fans seek alternative news media formats to traditional news fare. Today, we’re increasingly seeing audiences, across all ages and not just youths, migrate to modern social and podcast-native alternative news formats. I think of All In Podcast, where 4 “besties” from Silicon Valley cover a range of topics from finance to politics to luxury lifestyle (and recently launched a premium Tequila brand), to YouTuber Tim Pool’s livestreaming news media network, and on-the-ground real-time war coverage on TikTok in Ukraine.
Our takeaway from all this is that there’s a massive opportunity in the evolving news media ecosystem. From building modern news networks (further building on top of early social news networks like The Young Turks and NowThis), to those companies building support services for these new digital and D2C journalists, like ad sales and talent management.
Case in point, we’re hearing a lot more from talent rep insiders that they’re focusing on signing fast-growing talent news personalities. Some of these firms have already built meaningful news talent divisions (keeping them anonymous per their request). We’re therefore not surprised by this OManagement deal, and we expect to start seeing a lot more activity in this space. Personally, I’d love to see a modern news media and talent rep outfit represent personalities on both sides of the political aisle here in the US – I haven’t seen anyone crack that code yet, but there’d be fun innovation in content formats, would set a great new precedent for productive political discourse and talent collaborations, and would probably generate great business ROI 😉”
UPDATE as of 9.11.25 – With Fox buying RSV in January, and assuming Paramount closes on the acquisition of The Free Press, makes me wonder when other traditional news media businesses are going to start making creator-based investments to power their modern news media strategies. The RSV deal was a different flavor (D2C and agency services for various of conservative-leaning talent), and the Free Press Deal is an acquisition of a media company (incl their writer and contributor network) coupled with a large employment deal for a top talent in Bari Weiss.
Which of these is the best strategy? I lean towards the RSV model – a scalable agency services platform to add many more talent and media channels, with lower revenue concentration and talent flight risk, and not as reliant on a singular 3rd party platform like the TFP has with Substack.
Further, what might the next flavor of a modern news media deal look like?
These are questions we should all be asking.
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Today we discuss the eight-figure investment into Steven.com at a $425M valuation. We analyze deal details, strategic rationale, investment size, founder controversy, UK social and creator capital flows, and RockWater’s editorial values.
Let’s break it down…
–TARGET: Steven.com–
Overview
Creator holding company built to scale creator media, ventures, and technology
100+ FT employees with operations across London, Manchester, NY, LA
Founded by Steven Bartlett in 2025
Founding Story
Steven.com founder Steven Bartlett founded Social Chain in 2014 as a teenager; then in 2016 raised $2M in funding from entrepreneur George Kofler, and over time Social Chain ended up merging with other business interests owned by Kofler, before eventually being spun out and sold to Brave Bison for £7.7M
Launched The Diary of a CEO in 2017 with a $100 microphone to share insights on business and personal growth
Pivoted to video-first format in 2019 after recognizing YouTube’s potential
Established Flight Group in 2022 as a creator-focused holding company, later expanding to include FlightStory (media & brand marketing), FlightFund (venture investing), and Flightcast (creator-tech platform)
Introduced Flight Story Studio in 2024, partnering with podcast veterans Georgie Holt and Christiana Brenton to scale premium creator-led productions.
The 2025 funding round for Steven.com further consolidated these ventures under one umbrella and positioned the business for global expansion across media, tech, and venture verticals
Company Highlights
The Diary of a CEO is the 2nd largest podcast on YouTube
Has 12M+ YouTube subs, adds 600k+ subscribers each month
70M monthly views / downloads across all platforms (YT, IG, FB)
2M+ followers on LinkedIn
Reps 250+ talent and creator clients through FlightStory
Business Lines / Service Offerings
Overview…
Flight Group is a creator-focused holding company with three core business units that all together build, scale, and monetize creator-led brands.
(1) FlightStory Studio…
Media company that acquires, scales, and builds commercial infrastructure around creator media IP
Roster includes Trevor Noah, Davina McCall, Paul C. Brunson, Dr. Tara Swart, Africa Brooke, The Diary of a CEO
Launched in April 2025 as a $64M fund dedicated to investing in creator-led HoldCos
Writes $1-3M checks to acquire minority stakes in scalable creator businesses
Built within Slow Ventures, the fund aims to back creators who are evolving into founders and building multi-asset companies (e.g. content, commerce, IP)
Instead of a standard VC equity structure, Slow takes 10% of all company earnings for up to 30 years, which aligns incentives for long-term and sustainable creator ownership
Portfolio: invested in 6+ creator founded businesses, including Jonathan Katz-Moses (woodworks) and Marina Mogilko (linguistics)
Slow Ventures Creator Fund Investment Criteria
Backs creators who lead with entrepreneurial mindset – not just talent but founder / CEO mentality
Community quality: Prioritizes creators with niche, engaged verticals (e.g. woodworking, automotive)
Seeks creators building brands with potential to expand into products, IP and tech
Offers follow-on capital for creators who reach growth milestones and aggressively experiment with new business models
Invests in driven creators who balance ethical growth and authenticity along with a long-term business outlook
Fund returns are linked to transparent earnings performances, enabling strong partnerships
Capital Markets History
Apr 2019, established Fund IV at $55M, marking expansion into both consumer and SaaS verticals
Apr 2022, launched Fund V ($195M) and Opportunity Fund II ($130M) to scale investments in fintech, crypto, and emerging creator-tech
Feb 2025, formed Creator Fund I ($64.3M) to back creator-led holding companies through minority stakes and revenue-linked models
Across all vehicles, Slow manages over $400M AUM with 540+ investments and 134 exits, including Airbnb, Slack, Ro, Allbirds, Postmates, and Pillpack
Slow maintains an overall strategic focus on creator-economy ventures, early consumer platforms, and scalable digital IP ecosystems
Apeiron Investment Group Overview
Family office / private firm of serial entrepreneur Christian Angermayer
Angermayer is a German entrepreneur and investor known for his investments and founding Atai Life Sciences and Crypto Finance Group
Focus: Biotech (psychedelics), Fintech/Crypto, DeepTech (AI, space), Life Sciences, future tech, experiences, media, real estate, natural resources, sport
Founded in Malta with offices in NY, London, Berlin, Abu Dhabi
Manages ~$7B (2025)
Company Highlights
Key exits include Springlane, Juvenescence, Zenhomes, Bionomics Limited, IntelGenx Technologies
Seeks companies with disruptive technologies or business models
Focuses on founder quality, team, and ability to execute bold, innovative visions
Lead investor in life sciences, psychedelics, biotech, fintech, and deeptech where market impact can be transformative
Capital Markets History
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–DEAL DETAILS–
Overview
Announced October 26, 2025
Eight-figure strategic investment into Steven.com
$425M valuation
Strategic Rationale
Accelerate mission to build world-class creator media & venture ecosystem
Support three core Flight divisions: FlightStory Studio (Creator Media), FlightFund (Creator Ventures), and Flightcast (Creator Technology)
Together they form the infrastructure to scale and commercialize creator-led IP across content, commerce, and tech.
Continued expansion of FlightStory talent roster (250+ creators)
Grow Flightcast platform to capture podcast hosting market share
Offers investors exposure to one of Europe’s fastest-growing creator-led holding companies and network of established and up-and-coming creators
From Steven Bartlett: “By bringing together creator IP, capital and our infrastructure, Steven.com is positioning itself to lead in the next era of the creator economy. My ultimate ambition is to build the Disney of the creator economy – and the strategic partners this funding round has brought on board has enabled me to take a big step in that direction”
From Megan Lightcap, investor at Slow Ventures: “His curiosity, authenticity, and relentless pursuit of growth have made him one of the most influential voices in modern entrepreneurship and personal development. Through Diary of a CEO, his Behind the Diary channel, and constant speaking engagements and live events, he’s cultivated a deeply loyal community committed to building a happier, more expansive and successful life by applying lessons from the world’s most accomplished figures.”
Post-Deal Operations
Steven Bartlett maintains 90%+ ownership and majority control
Steven.com operates as a US-incorporated parent company with HQs between London and LA, reflecting its growth ambitions in North America
FlightFund continues deployment across 40+ portfolio companies
–WHAT ELSE I FIND INTERESTING–
We estimate the total investment to be $10-15M.
Here’s how we got there (reminder, no deal details were shared, so this is speculation)…
Steven says he kept 90% of the company post deal, and that the implied valuation was $425M.
Observers may think that implies an investment of $42.5M for 10% of the Flight Group, but we doubt that’s the case here.
Instead, Bartlett likely had already given out a few points of equity to advisors, early investors, and / or team members.
Also, we know that Slow raised a Creator Fund of $64M, and they’ve given public guidance that they’re writing $1-3M initial checks in exchange for roughly 10% equity / earnings, into a planned 20 to 30 initial investments.
This aligns with typical venture fund dynamics, since the capital dedicated to initial investments is typically after reserving for management fees over the next 5 to 10 yrs, and also for follow-on investments in case an “Opportunity Fund” (dedicated for follow-ons) isn’t raised.
For Slow specifically, they may have flexed up a bit from their typical check size since there’s strategic value in the deal – Bartlett has a very large and fast-growing audience, and has a strong network of creators through his various business lines. With Slow’s launch of their new dedicated creator fund, the fund likely sees much value in more brand awareness of their fund via the deal, including getting in front of Bartlett’s creator network.
So maybe the Slow check was in the $3-5M range, and then Aperion wrote a check of around the same size, or a bit larger…this gets to the reported “eight-figure” range reported in the trades, and how we get to our $10-15M estimate.
Further, based on the *high* valuation of $425M, Slow and Apeiron may not get 10% of Flight Group, but there may be strong structural protections like liquidation preference, anti dilution ratchets, warrants, PIK interest, and participating preferred. Investors are savvy and know how to protect their $$ – it’s a good reminder for all of you builders to focus on these other critical deal terms when evaluating an investment into your biz.
Also, reminder that I don’t know any financial performance data of Flight Group, nor do I know any specific terms of the deal other than what’s reported in the trades. I therefore can’t assess valuation multiples and how they compare to market precedent. The above is based on gut instinct from being in this industry for 20+ years. Take with a grain of salt.
NOTE: thank you to Scott Van den Berg of Hotstart VC, who gave me smart POV on how to think about this potential funding round based on his professional investing experience.
Individual creators are evolving into full-scale media and business empires.
The creator economy is projected to surpass $528B by 2030, with more than 200M active creators globally.
Steven.com’s $425M valuation reflects a growing class of creator-founded companies scaling beyond content by combining media, tech, and new ventures all under one roof, and raising institutional capital to drive outsized growth.
Examples of other creator-specific investments include…
Good Good Golf raising $45M from Creator Sports Capital to expand its content, retail, and live experience businesses (our deal analysis).
Dude Perfect raising $100M+ from Highmount Capital to build its first Texas theme park and expand its global live-tour franchise (our deal analysis).
Epic Gardening raising $17.5M from TCG to expand their media footprint and grow through M&A (our deal analysis of their recent acquisitions)
MrBeast’s planned IPO at a $5B valuation. This is a holdco that includes businesses ranging from content creation (YouTube channel, “Beast Games” on Amazon Prime”), a CPG division (Feastables, Lunchly), software and tech (Viewstats), investing (Backbone, Juice Funds), philanthropy, and more. Again, this is another interesting model to inspire where Bartlett can take his Flight Group business – start with a large media funnel, and with the power of distribution (which is increasingly the main value driver and differentiator in a world where product is getting commoditized via AI and low startup costs)…use that to launch a variety of different businesses all under one roof.
Steven Bartlett is a bit of a controversial figure, particularly in the UK.
I posted about this deal on LinkedIn this past Monday. I quickly got a bunch of DMs about it, primarily from execs based in the UK.
I learned there’s a history of claims of Bartlett misrepresenting his success. This includes his role in building Social Chain to a 9-figure valuation and eventual IPO. You can go down the rabbit hole here.
I don’t like focusing on the negative, and in success, “haters will always hate”. It’s clear that Bartlett has achieved success in his career, and he’s great at building an online audience and PR machine.
But, in the spirit of transparency, these claims are worth highlighting, and I can see why some people are turned off.
Nevertheless, there’s a path to good ROI for investors on this deal based on macro creator economy tailwinds, Barlett’s massive media machine, and the future growth plan of Flight Group. We’ll track how it nets out.
This makes me want to discuss some inner workings of RockWater…
A founder’s note on our RockWater editorial values.
The editorial brand that me and our RockWater team have worked to cultivate over the past decade, is one of overall positivity on the creator space.
Why? Because I was an early builder in this industry, I love the community, I know that it is the way of the future, and being a part of this industry has transformed my career and overall life much for the better (you can read more about my story on my LinkedIn about page).
This positivity is coupled with data-based financial and market analysis that goes deeper than other trades – we can do this because of our unique creator co builder x Wall street backgrounds.
Therefore, we strive to provide transparency to dealmaking in the new and fast-growing creator ecosystem via our weekly newsletter, LinkedIn posts, and social videos. It’s key to understand how and why capital is flowing, to what types of companies, and what are the companies’ underlying fundamentals…because it’s a special moment when money changes hands in a business deal, leading to an exchange of ownership and control. These moments define precedent for, and inspire how, future companies are built, and how and why future business deals get done.
Therefore, we believe that our analysis is critical to ensuring more good deals get done. And because irrational exuberance and hype cycles are bad for everyone…just see the result in the industry downturn from 2022 to 2024.
As a result, this sometimes requires us to raise provocative questions and challenge reported assumptions. When we take this approach, we strive to find the right balance in editorial tone. We also note when we’re speculating, since the challenge in private company analysis is a lack of deal and data transparency (though transparency is improving as we discussed in our analysis of public co Gamesquare buying Click Management).
We don’t want to be a company that writes “take-down” pieces. That’s not productive to the industry, and I’m well aware of where our bread is buttered aka what biases we have due to our business model – we’re an M&A advisor and we make $$ when companies hire us for strategic advisory. To point out the obvious, we’re not an independent trade publication nor journalist team; though many “independents” have their own biases from sponsorship sales, incentives to get interviews with top execs, etc. Biases exist everywhere.
That all being said, we know that in order to build trust with our readers, and in turn out prospective and existing clients, we must have integrity in how we analyze and discuss companies and industry dealmaking.
So put all of the above together, and that is a fine line to walk!
We haven’t perfected it. Unexpected friction happens.
But what’s exciting to our RockWater team, and which aligns with overall creator economy trends, is that our editorial and media is part of a new model emerging in news and business coverage.
You can see this everywhere; just see our deal analysis on Paramount buying The Free Press. And just yesterday, in Kaya and Jasmine launching Scalable Pod, after leaving The Information, and EMARKETER, repsectively (I’m so pumped for them, such a smart move).
More specifically as it relates to RockWater’s content, I believe that an advisory firm in the trenches on dealmaking, which includes daily CEO buyer / seller / investor calls, gives us an unmatched POV on the industry, which you readers (aka builders in our industry) should have some access to. The more practical learnings we can share (while respecting client and partner confidence), the better we can all build and make $$ together, and in turn, delight the modern media consumer that we’re all building for.
I believe our team does a darn good job here. I hope you feel the same!
I genuinely enjoy building and figuring out this new M&A advisory x content x events model, and am extremely grateful that all of you are along for the ride 😉
Ok, back to industry analysis…
Rise in Euro creator and social M&A.
There’s an increasing amount of creator and social M&A within Europe. We’ve been covering this in our analysis of M&A deals, including…
SAMY Alliance buying Content Lab plus its parent co $310M buyout by Bridgepoint Group (our deal analysis)
Electrify Video buying Veritasium (our deal analysis) and raising $85M for M&A and growth
I also think of other Euro-based movers and shakers we haven’t yet written about, like KOMI Group, Billion Dollar Boy, Spin Brands, LunarX, Wild Vision, among many others. I look forward to writing more about their growth and any planned deal activity over the next couple years.
SIDE NOTE: As RockWater has ramped up its global client work over the past few years, I’ve enjoyed developing more Euro-based relationships, from Spain and France to Germany and Armenia. And as it relates to the UK, I’ve always felt that people from the US and the UK have a unique and immediate camaraderie. Perhaps this builds from the longstanding alliance between our countries for multiple centuries. To this end, one of my earliest int’l memories was when some random English bloke randomly walked up and introduced himself to me during my 1st week of my Spain study abroad program. We became fast friends and still talk regularly, now going on for 20+ years. Funny enough, he was actually an ad agency founder, and sold his biz years ago. Perhaps he was a subconscious catalyst in my founding of RockWater. Cheers Tim Slee 👋
BTW…we hope to plan a London-based networking event in the spring. Stay tuned.
Is there an existing template of UK to US expansion when building a diversified creator services ecosystem?
This deal also makes me think of Whalar Group, which since 2016 has been building a company to power the modern creator ecosystem.
From Whalar’s mission statement a couple years ago…
“At Whalar Group, we believe the future belongs to Creators: those who do the hard work of dreaming loud, then wrestling those dreams into the real world. Passionate, diverse, modern storytellers who create vibrant culture and value-driven communities. Brave entrepreneurs who demand a new creative playground and a new economy, the Creator Economy. Eight years ago Whalar Group was born to help liberate these creative voices, to take their thinking to the world. We’re proud to be a truly unique Creator ecosystem, where entrepreneurship, technology and creativity meld to create limitless possibilities.”
Whalar was first incorporated in the UK, like Steven.com. Then, the company moved its business HQ to the US *I think* a couple years ago before they took on larger investment.
And now, Steven.com will be incorporating in the US with this recent investment and planned expansion.
My bet is that these moves to the US are because the US creator business ecosystem is significantly larger than that of Europe.
Further, more and larger investors are based in the US, and many US investors prefer to have their portfolio companies based in their backyard for a variety of reasons; proximity between investors and co leadership, US business culture, access to a large exec and team hiring pool, US legal precedent and case law, access to strategic partners, etc.
And on top of that, Whalar just raised at a $400M valuation back in May from other prominent US investors (Marc Benioff founder of Saleforce, Shopify, and Hollywood producer Neal Mortiz), and this week Steven.com just raised from a prominent US investor at a $425M valuation.
Yes, there are definitely parallels between the spirit, business goals, and service offerings of Flight Group and Whalar.
…and that’s totally fine. The creator economy is a fast-growing industry with incredible headroom to grow into. Reminder that current estimates for global market size are around $300B, and it feels like we’re just getting started.
Some key differences are that Steven.com has built out a massive owned & operated media funnel through The Diary of a CEO podcast and overall social footprint, as well as through the creator and IP incubator FlightStory.
In contrast, Whalar’s tentpole asset is its large global influencer marketing agency, which now includes other business units like talent management (our deal analysis when they bought UK-based Sixteenth), an operating system for creator businesses (Foam), a venture studio, a video game studio, and most recently, a coworking plus production space in LA and Brooklyn (The Lighthouse, and I’ll be at the grand opening in Brooklyn next Wed Nov 5).
Overall, a couple different approaches towards a similar end game. And of course, even more models will emerge for how to create a diversified creator services ecosystem.
Looking forward to seeing how this all shakes out, and what we can learn from the various business models.
Alright, that’s enough writing for today’s newsletter…
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Today we discuss Night’s acquisition of Experiential Supply Co., an experiential productions and attractions company for brands, studios, and agencies. We analyze deal details, strategic rationale, the multi $100B+ experiential market, and the shift toward creator-led IRL events.
Let’s break it down…
–SELLER: Experiential Supply Co–
Overview
Experiential production and attraction company for brands, studios, and agencies
Specializes in custom, from-scratch concepts and productions to create high impact moments
Founded by Jasen Smith in 2017
16 associated members via LI
Based in Los Angeles
Founding Story
Founded Experiential Supply Co. in 2017, positioning company as innovative experiential production firm creating custom concepts versus off-the-shelf programs
Built early reputation with Warner Bros., Disney, and Universal on high-profile film marketing activations
Created Yeti Village for Warner Bros. “Small Foot” (2018) and Derry Canal Days Festival for “It: Chapter 2” (2019) in Hollywood
In 2020, expanded into creator activation from Executed Birds of Prey activation with stars Margot Robbie and Ewan McGregor
Covid shutdown on live events sparked consumer-facing pivot idea
Created Haunt O’ Ween drive-thru experience as first consumer-facing project versus traditional studio work-for-hire
Successfully transitioned from exclusively studio work to hybrid model including consumer experiences and large-scale public stunts
Company Highlights
Works with many of Hollywood’s top studios as well as major Fortune 500 brands including Disney, Warner Bros., and Universal Pictures
Executed 115+ projects for major brands, studios and agencies, ranging from custom animatronics and pop-ups to conventions
Notable projects include Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes (horseback-riding apes in San Francisco) and Jurassic World Rebirth (60-foot Titanosaurus in Manhattan)
Business Lines / Service Offerings
Experiential Marketing Activations…
Large-scale branded stunts and destination experiences for film premieres and product launches
Custom animatronics and interactive installations
Street-level viral marketing campaigns
Immersive Brand Experiences…
Pop-up events and themed environments (It: Chapter 2 Derry Canal Days Festival, Small Foot Yeti Village)
ComicCon activations (Predator Badlands, 25 veiled nuns for The Nun)
Celebrity-driven brand activations (Birds of Prey with Margot Robbie and Ewan McGregor)
–BUYER: Night–
Overview
Next-gen representation platform for artists
Founded 2015 by Reed Duchscher
Reps 250+ talent and artist clients
Based in Austin, TX
120 employees
Founding Story
Reed Duchscher began career as NFL sports agent before pivoting to digital talent management
Started Night Media in 2015 after working with Dude Perfect on brand deals and monetization
Built reputation managing top digital creators including MrBeast from 2018 to 2024
Expanded from talent management into venture capital, content production, and podcasting
In 2022, raised $100M round from The Chernin Group for a Joint Venture CPG fund, and also raised a direct investment from TCG into the Night biz
Company Highlights
Client roster includes Kai Cenat, Hasan Piker, Kalogeras Sisters, Sam & Colby, Safiya Nygaard, The Costco Guys
First manager of MrBeast, helped catapult his growth
Launched Feastables in 2022, est $100M+ 2024 revenue
Business Lines / Service Offerings
Talent – talent division representing some of the biggest digitally native creators
Night Advisory – strategic partner to top brands on digital and creator marketing
The Roost – leading video-first podcast network
Night Labs – a venture studio pairing top operators and artists e.g. Feastables
Capital – TCG-backed fund to invest in / acquire profitable creator-led businesses
Capital Markets History
2025 bought Experiential Supply Co.
2025 invested $4M in seed funding to Rare Candy, a collectibles marketplace
2024 bought Bottle Rocket Management (we advised on sale, our deal analysis)
2024 bought The Roost Podcast Network
2023 bought talent mgmt co LFM
2022 raised $100M from TCG for Night Capital
2022 raised an est high 7 to low 8 figures from TCG
–DEAL DETAILS–
Overview
Announced October 13, 2025
No terms were disclosed
Strategic Rationale
Combines Night’s viral digital expertise with Experiential Supply’s live event production capabilities
Aligns with broader industry trend of creator economy going IRL as audiences crave offline engagement (see below What Else I Find Interesting section for market data)
Night’s creators increasingly launching IRL experiences e.g. Sam & Colby escape room, Kai Cenat’s Little Basketball Association
Enables integrated offering: creators can drive digital awareness while activating physical experiences: (1) Creates an integrated offering for brands, studios, and creator partners, where digital talent can amplify campaigns through social reach and leverage live activations to generate new viral content (2) The synergy enables co-beneficial campaigns: creators extend partnerships into IRL experiences that their fans can attend and share, while brands capture both in-person engagement and online momentum.
“As consumer attention shifts more and more towards digital media, we believe that experiential marketing is one of the few traditional marketing channels that brands can still use to create unique and memorable moments that actually reach consumers,” said Reed Duchscher, Night CEO.
“Through the years we’ve been able to achieve really special organic engagements and virality with our experiences and marketing stunts,” said Jasen Smith, Experiential Supply Co. founder. “With Night leading the pace in the creator and digital space we felt there was a silver bullet offering to have this all under one roof that couldn’t be ignored”
Also from Jasen Smith…“we’re eager and excited to re-imagine how physical experiences show up globally at scale in the digital world. Leveraging the globe’s best creators, and savvy backend digital strategies, we’re going to ensure the worlds and moments we create are unmissable.”
Post-Deal Operations
Experiential Supply Co. continues operating under its brand
Jasen Smith remains with company leading experiential division
Integration with Night’s creator roster for branded activations and fan experiences
–WHAT ELSE I FIND INTERESTING–
The $100B+ market opportunity at the intersection of creators x irl experiences.
When I first read about this deal, I had a bit of a head scratcher moment.
Then our team dug into some market sizing research, and as well as the flurry of activity in creator-driven events. We also reached out to Night’s CEO to get more perspective on their growth angle.
The growth opportunity then became much more clear. Here’s some of the data and trends we looked at…
Market sizing data for the global experiential x creator economies.
North America experiential marketing industry is valued at $54B in 2025, projected to hit $74B by 2035 (3.2% CAGR), with North America accounting for ~40% of total revenue.
Global experiential marketing spend expected at $128B in 2025, with 74% of Fortune 1000 marketers planning increased budgets next year.
Further, consumer engagement of creator-related irl experiences is surging: 41% of US social media users attended at least one creator or fan event in the past year, spanning meetups, pop-ups, and branded festivals.
Then, as it relates to the creator economy, market sizing estimates are around $191B in 2025, and growing to $528B by 2030, a 23% CAGR.
Growing trend of creators increasingly building hybrid IRL + digital businesses.
Some examples…
Sam & Colby – “Asylum: Room 1952” escape room drove over 25M YouTube video views, and sold out 8 weeks of bookings within launch quarter.
Kai Cenat – “Little Basketball Association (LBA)” drew 5.4M cumulative live views across Twitch and YouTube streams, with 30K+ paid arena attendees.
Dude Perfect – raised $100M from Highmount Capital (our deal analysis) to expand its global live-tour franchise and build a Texas theme park. Related to this expansion is the announcement that Dig World, a construction-themed adventure park featured on Shark Tank, is partnering with Dude Perfect to open a new location at Grapevine Mills mall (based in TX) in early 2026. This marks Dude Perfect’s first official venture into the amusement park space, featuring real construction equipment experiences and trick-shot attractions curated by Dude Perfect
POV on the economics of experiential events.
The economics are promising, yet complex.
Of note, our team can uniquely speak to this: our director Michael Booth was previously at the VOID, a location-based entertainment company.
Specifically, events can drive high-margin sponsorship returns, typically in the 10-20% EBITDA range for established tours.
BUT, events demand steep upfront capital expenditures, logistics, and ongoing marketing overhead.
Therefore, the most successful creators vertically integrate via production, merch, and media rights, which helps to offset costs with diversified monetization flywheels.
Night now bridges digital virality with real-world engagement, a strong move to capture more of brand marketer share through a modern suite of social agency services.
Last week we wrote about Journey Further buying Saulderson Media (our deal analysis), which included our POV on how marketing agencies are newly defining the modern social agency services stack.
In this Experiential Supply deal, Night now gets access to six- and seven-figure studio-level budgets through campaigns like Jurassic World Rebirth and Planet of the Apes. I also think of marketing strategy shifts within Indie Hollywood –> per a Hollywood Reporter article from a couple days ago, “Focus Features and others are seeking to create brand loyalty among a growing demo of moviegoers with unique experiences and curated merchandise.”
It positions Night as a hybrid creative-marketing powerhouse connecting creators, brands, and audiences across digital and physical channels.
It also adds proven experiential execution capabilities to Night’s digital-first focus, allowing the company to deliver integrated campaigns from ideation, to on-site activation and social amplification.
There are also parallels to Fever’s acquisition of DICE (ourdeal analysis), where a digital-first entertainment platform acquired a live-event company to own the whole stack (creation, distribution, and data across the experiential ecosystem). Similarly, Night is making moves to own the full creative-marketing stack, spanning content, creators, and experiential execution.
Night CEO Reed Duchscher, in a direct chat with me about the deal, noted that he believes the “outsized advantage on the brand side” is actually not influencer marketing, which Night already has a strong wedge in. Instead, the “increasing anchor for brand services”, is experiential marketing i.e. that an experiential offering helps modern band agency businesses, like Night Advisory, generate new client relationships and cross-sell various social marketing services like influencer marketing, UGC content, influencer bookings, etc. Further, Reed noted that in talking to various experiential companies, ES and its founder Jasen stood out, and that the ES team had glowing reviews from their blue-chip client base. This made it an easy decision for Reed to pursue the acquisition and bring Jasen onto the Night leadership team.
I’m the founder of RockWater Industries. We do M&A and strategy advisory for creator economy and digital agencies. From buy / sell-side M&A and fundraising, to consumer research and go-to-market planning.
M&A analysis of the creator economy to make you a better operator and investor.
Today we discuss MLB’s investment into Jomboy Media, a baseball and sports-focused digital publisher. We cover deal details, strategic rationale, rise of creator sports deals, 1st league investment into a media co, input from Jomboy CEO, editorial independence, and a potential golden handcuffs scenario.
Let’s break it down…
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–TARGET: Jomboy Media–
Overview
A creator-led sports and entertainment media platform
Specializes in baseball content, digital video, podcasts, and original programming
Founded in 2017 by Jimmy “Jomboy” O’Brien and Jake Storiale
CEO is Courtney Hirsch (sister of cofounder Jimmy)
86+ associated members on LinkedIn
HQ’d in New York
Origination Story
Started as “Talkin’ Yanks” podcast in 2017. Built following through fun, relatable banter and analysis
Jimmy’s viral “breakdown” videos with lip reading and humorous commentary quickly gained millions of views and brought national attention
Jomboy gained major spotlight during the 2019 Houston Astros sign-stealing scandal, due to in-depth, accessible coverage that connected with both casual and long-time fans
Expanded lineup to include multiple podcasts, YouTube shows, warehouse-style games, and collabs with networks like YES and Amazon
Company Highlights
93+ million social media engagements in 2024
FY 2024 Revenue: $10M+, up 44% YoY
2.1M+ YouTube subs
Business Lines
Programmatic Revenue: From YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Podcasts
Merchandise: Direct-to-consumer apparel (shirts, jerseys, etc) through company website
Media Rights: Six-figure TV deal with Bally Sports for Warehouse Games content
Content footprint:
Social Video:
Viral breakdowns of MLB plays and controversies (notably lip reading, rules analysis, and hot takes)
“Warehouse Games” original series: high-production, backyard-inspired competitions (e.g., Blitzball, floorball)
Short-form highlights and recaps designed for social platforms
Podcasts:
“Talkin’ Baseball”: Weekly deep dives and banter on league events, player news, and fan culture
“Talkin’ Yanks”: Yankees-focused analysis, guests, and season storylines.
Live Events & Collaborations:
MLB All-Star Game, Home Run Derby, and other event activations – co-produced and distributed alongside MLB digital channels
YES Network partnership: Exclusive original shows on the YES App
Capital Markets History
Lead Investors: Connect Ventures LLP (a JV between Hollywood agency CAA and VC firm NEA. Cofounded by Jack Davis, cofounder of Crypt TV which sold to Brat TV)
May’22: $5M VC (Series A) raise
Dec’19: $0.3M VC (Seed 2) raise
Apr’18: $0.05M VC (Seed 1) raise
–BUYER: Major League Baseball–
Overview
Professional baseball league representing 30 teams across North America
Baseball Endowment L.P. (BELP): MLB’s investment fund owned collectively by all 30 teams, valued at $1B+
Each team holds 3.3% ownership stake in BELP
Founded in 1903 through merger of National League and American League
Led by Commissioner Rob Manfred
Company Highlights
FY 2024 Revenue: $12.1B+, up 4.3% YoY
71.3M+ attendance in 2024, up 11% over 2022
Record $2.6B avg MLB team valuation in 2025, up 8% YoY
Business Lines
Media Rights & Broadcasting: National and local television, radio, and streaming distribution
National TV Deals: Fox ($550M annually), Turner Sports through 2028, Apple TV+, Roku Channel
MLB.TV Streaming: $149.99 per season out-of-market package
Sponsorships & Corporate Partnerships: League-wide and team-specific brand partnerships
40+ Official Partners: Including Anheuser-Busch InBev, Mastercard, Chevrolet
International Partnerships: Konami, Japan Airlines, ITO EN
Digital Media & Technology: MLB Advanced Media and digital platforms
MLB Network: Emmy Award-winning programming and live game telecasts
MLB.com Platform: Website and mobile applications for all 30 teams
Licensing & Merchandise: IP and consumer products
200+ Licensees including Topps, Fanatics, New Era, Rawlings
Team Merchandise: D2C and retail partnerships
Video Game Licensing: Multi-year deals with publishers including Konami fornami for mobile games
Capital Markets History
Jun’25: Acquired minority stake in Jomboy Media
May’25: Acquired minority stake in Athlete Unlimited Softball League
Apr’22: Follow investor in $1.5B G2 round for Fanatics LLC
Aug’21: Follow investor in $325M F2 round for Fanatics LLC
Jul’21: Follow investor in $15M B3 round for LeagueApps Inc
Mar’21: Lead investor in $350M F1 round for Fanatics LLC
–DEAL DETAILS–
Overview
Announced June 10, 2025
MLB acquired minority stake in Jomboy Media
Investment made through MLB’s BELP
Post-Deal Operations
Jomboy Media operates as independent entity
Jimmy O’Brien continues as founder and primary content creator
Courtney Hirsch remains CEO (appointed March 2025)
Jomboy has access to MLB and team intellectual property for content and merchandise
MLB will distribute Jomboy Media content across MLB’s own digital channels, including activations around major events like the All-Star Game and Home Run Derby
Strategic Rationale
Viewer Demographic Changes: Average MLB TV viewer age dropped 4 years since 2018, but league still seeks solutions to unlock younger audiences
Digital Transformation: Shift toward creator-led content and authentic voices over traditional media among younger audiences
Creator Economy Entry: MLB’s first major investment in independent creator-led media company
Content Distribution: Leverage Jomboy’s 93M+ annual engagements for broader reach and expanded audience
–WHAT ELSE I FIND INTERESTING–
A new investment precedent for the creator economy; sports leagues investing into creator-led media. I believe MLB’s minority investment in Jomboy Media is the first time a major sports league has taken an ownership stake in a creator-driven media company. Perhaps even any type of media company (though DM me if I’m wrong here).
While leagues like the NFL and NBA have worked with creators through a variety of brand marketing and promotional campaigns over recent years, like the MLB’s past partnership with Whistle Sports, these leagues haven’t taken meaningful equity ownership in media businesses. Instead, within the sports ecosystem, most direct investments into media have come from athletes and their owned media ventures or investment funds. I think of Kevin Durant (via Boardroom and Thirty Five Ventures) and LeBron James (via SpringHill Company).
But direct investment into media has not come from a sports team nor league. Until now.
The MLB / Jomboy deal may signal a new model that could emerge: sports leagues and teams will increasingly take minority ownership in creator companies to gain better audience distribution and marketing, and find new creative ways to engage modern and youth sports fans. Aka a realization that creator businesses are worthy of institutional investment by major sports leagues and teams, and not just marketing spend.
Of note, adjacent media investments by leagues do exist, like NBA Equity, the venture arm of the NBA, announcing in 2024 an investment into Greenfly, a short-form content marketing platform. So we’ve known that the leagues have been taking social media, and its impact on its business and partners, more and more seriously, and willing to put real capital to work. Now we know the investment aperture by the leagues and the sports ecosystem, has grown even wider.
NOTE: In thinking about the intersection of capital, media, talent, and sports, I also think about Ryan Reynolds buying a stake in Wrexham AFC in 2020, and then co-producing a docuseries with his prod co Maximum Effort. A different precedent, but still in the…ballpark…of today’s analysis. You can read more about that deal here in our Ryan Reynold’s “Fast Follower” strategy breakdown.
The rise of sports-focused creator economy investments. I think of Dude Perfect’s $100M+ majority acquisition by Highmount Capital (our deal analysis), and Good Good Golf’s $45M funding (our deal analysis). Now with MLB investing into Jomboy, this is the 3rd capital infusion into a creator-focused sports media co within the last 15 months. This deal builds on the broader trend that investors are quickly realizing how critical creator-led media is to build any modern business enterprise that reaches young, digital native consumers…whether a CPG company, a live events company, or a sports franchise.
It’s also worth highlighting that these creator-led media co’s take sports content far beyond just cut-downs of game highlights. They also offer comedic stunts, educational breakdowns, and viral challenges that appeal to both die-hard fans and casual viewers. They’re transforming how fans experience and interact with sports overall, from broadcast / social co-viewing habits and what stories are told, to the new merch lines and irl experiences being developed.
Making baseball more accessible to youth and non-baseball fans. MLB’s minority stake in Jomboy Media goes beyond just a financial investment – it’s a strategic alliance that gives Jomboy access to MLB’s official IP, live games, and events. This enables Jomboy to expand its content portfolio and create fresh formats that make baseball more engaging and accessible to a wider range of fans.
Similar to how Good Good Golf has broadened its audience by creating content that appeals not just to golf enthusiasts, but to casual viewers and adjacent fans, Jomboy is doing the same for the sport of baseball. Like how the lip-reading breakdown YouTube videos are inspired by action on the baseball diamond, but are actually comedic entertainment that resonates with a much broader, non-baseball audience.
I can personally attest to this after skimming Jomboy’s YT channel a couple days ago for some article research, and then getting sucked down the lip reading videos rabbit hole for at least 30 min of joyful viewing. It’s a brilliant format, even if a bit raunchy.
And MLB wants more of that.
Jomboy extends MLB’s reach into social-native communities and younger demos, with proven formats. With digital sports viewership surpassing traditional TV for the first time in 2024, leagues that don’t establish creator distribution channels risk losing entire generational audiences. So MLB is playing critical business model defense with this move – I’m curious to see how the MLB might get more aggressive as they seek to evolve their business during generational media disruption.
And with the MLB partnership, Jomboy will have player, team, and league access that will allow their content teams to produce new and differentiated sports x media content for the full spectrum of baseball fans, from newbies to diehards, and adjacent entertainment audiences. All amplified by the MLB’s own digital media network.
A mutual win.
Recent MLB rule changes are a boon for creator-led media. MLB’s recent rule changes, designed to speed up gameplay and increase action, are making games more appealing to younger fans who expect fast-paced and digestible content. The changes create ideal opportunities for creator-driven coverage that highlights exciting moments, quick reactions, and explainers tailored for social media. Specifically, there will be more social-native format opportunities for highlight breakdowns, real-time commentary, and educational clips. The result is more content that helps both casual viewers and long time fans understand and enjoy the game, and discover the sport of baseball.
The takeaway is that there’s a clear synergy between the recent on-field innovation and off-field investment in creator engagement via the new MLB / Jomboy partnership. Overall, expect to see fresh storytelling techniques that drive new fan growth and deepen fan engagement, and which will be both more effective AND cost-efficient than relying on traditional sports broadcasts.
Notes on editorial independence in the modern creator landscape. With the MLB as new minority owners of Jomboy, it raises the question of editorial independence. It’s the same question that arises during any investment or acquisition of a media co – like when a prominent business person buys a newspaper (e.g. Amazon founder Jeff Bezos buying the Washington Post in 2013), a telecom company buys a Hollywood Studio (e.g. AT&T buying WarnerMedia in 2018), or when a Hollywood studio buys another Hollywood studio (e.g. Discovery buying WarnerMedia in 2022).
The question that our team raised is if Jomboy’s editorial voice will change post deal, which could alienate existing Jomboy fans and viewers i.e. might Jomboy need to soften some of its raunchy breakdown videos, or strive to take a more neutral or positive tone for any MLB commentary.
I didn’t do a detailed audit of Jomboy’s content, so I can’t speak to the potential risks there. But my gut instincts point to the following takeaways (1) Jomboy still mountains majority ownership and control post deal (2) trying to change the voice of a creator-led media company is bad business and if that was the goal, the deal never would have happened, and (3) Jomboy benefits so much from increased access to MLB IP and distribution that even some minor “filtering around the edges” of Jomboy content to maintain good MLB rapport will be worth it considering the bigger business opportunity.
In the creator economy space, we don’t have a ton of precedent here, so I’m curious to see how this shakes out. I think of the Lunar X / Game Theory acquisition in 2022, but that deal speaks more to keyman risk in transitioning a YT channel to a new owner once the host leaves. But a more recent and relevant example that comes to mind is Fox’s acquisition of Red Seat Ventures in early 2025 (our analysis here). RSV owners were very clear to Fox about the need for talent independence of former Fox broadcasters (e.g. Tucker Carlson and Megn Kelly), who are coming back under the Fox umbrella through the deal. But if you’re following the recent news, I’m curious to see how that independence is navigated as the current presidential administration puts pressure on media outlets like Fox about recent sensitive topics.
Digital media leaders will be setting new playbooks here on how to co-manage media parent co pressures in a creator ecosystem where the talent have significantly more leverage, both through direct audience access and their contractual agreements, than times past. I look forward to learning their strategies.
I spoke to Courtney Hirsch, the newly promoted CEO of Jomboy. Below are some paraphrased notes from our convo (incl edits for clarity).
Courtney is excited by the bigger sponsorship opportunity enabled by the MLB partnership. By collaborating with the MLB in an official capacity, Jomboy can provide sponsorship packages that are also league and team-focused, and incorporate official league and team IP and distribution that were unavailable to Jomboy prior to the investment.
Courtney further noted that creator counterparts often struggle with 1-off brand campaigns, and live campaign by campaign. Instead, Jomboy will now help uplevel the creator sports space by unlocking blue chip brands through more premium long-term campaign opportunities, and in turn more sponsorship revenue. That’s a win for Jomboy, but also the broader creator sports space.
Courtney was also excited by the larger consumer product merch opportunity. Through the deal, Jomboy will be able to make joint apparel, with official MLB and team marks. For example, the company can make “Talkin’ Yanks” shirts with the official NY Yankees logo, which will help Jomboy merch stand out in the saturated creator and podcast merch space. To get access to official league and team marks, creator co’s typically have to work with large sports licensing orgs like Fanatics and New Era, which can take time, and getting rights access is not guaranteed. Being an early and approved partner gives Jomboy a real advantage VS other sports media peers.
Golden handcuffs, poison pills, and potential challenges of an MLB tie-in. Some industry observers noted that Jomboy might have had to do this deal due to their illegal use of MLB content, and so a partnership had to be sorted. I don’t know if there were any official copyright or fair use claims outstanding by the MLB against Jomboy, and what pressures may have historically been put on Jomboy by the sports league. But based on some quick research, I found this 2019 article from Techdirt. Yes it’s a bit dated, but does provide helpful context on my point above, and also has a POV that aligns with my own on the matter, in that the MLB should embrace Jomboy VS fight them – which is where we ended up with this partnership! A good article insight is that the MLB was actually claiming Jomboy’s YouTube videos like its lip reading breakdowns, meaning that all adsense revenue went to MLB and NOT the creator media co. I recommend giving the article a full read.
A question the deal also raises is if the MLB presents a golden handcuffs situation, preventing a future Jomboy majority exit. The concern would be that if MLB were to ever pull its commercial partnership, it would dramatically impact the Jomboy business via a loss of access to key IP, audience, and revenue. So why rock the boat. Though with Jomboy aspirations to be broader than just baseball and sports, that risk could be mitigated, but it’s definitely a legitimate concern. Another concern is that the MLB could refuse to sell its stake, due to the MLB wanting to continue being in business, and perhaps having some influence, over the media co. This could be a poison pill for a new owner who seeks a 100% buyout.
Though having MLB as a financial and commercial partner, with aligned incentives over a long or infinite term, could be a good thing for a new owner, and the new owner would still enjoy majority control. I also wonder if Jomboy negotiated drag along rights, enabling them to force MLB’s stake sale in the case of a majority buyer. Though I doubt it.
This then raises the point if MLB is the natural fit to be a future majority owner of Jomboy – maybe, but first let’s see how the partnership goes, how content / audience / revenue grow together, and how editorial independence is navigated. Then perhaps another new precedent will be set for how a sports league can take majority ownership of a media co, VS just an investment.
I’m the founder of RockWater Industries. We do M&A and strategy advisory for creator economy and digital agencies. From buy / sell-side M&A and fundraising, to consumer research and go-to-market planning.
M&A analysis of the creator economy to make you a better operator and investor.
Today we discuss Good Good Golf’s $45M fundraise, including the deal details, company origin story, strategic rationale, planned use of funds, and how the company is pioneering sports x social commerce.
Let’s break it down…
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–TARGET: Good Good Golf–
Overview
Nextgen golf media and lifestyle brand
Blends entertainment, sports, competition, and lifestyle
“Make golf more accessible, dynamic, and engaging for players and fans of all ages”
Founded 2020 by Matt Kendrick and 5+ golf personalities including lead voice Garrett Clark
Team of 25 on-camera personalities, editors, shooters
Based in Texas
Origin Story
5+ close friends, all good golfers who often played together, started doing challenges and competitions, and posting YouTube videos
Founders Matt Kendrick, a partner at Scoreboard Ventures, approached the group at a golf tournament, about forming GG
Was inspired by success of fishing channel called Googan Squad, founded by 5 young anglers that Matt Kendrick helped incubate
Of note, cofounder Garrett Clark launched first YT channel at 9 yrs old, then a golf channel at 13, dropped out of college to do it full time
Business Lines
Overall business model spans content, D2C consumer products, retail, and live experiences
Creates educational and entertaining long-form YouTube videos, and short-form on Instagram, TikTok
Monetizes content via YouTube ad sense and brand partnerships, and partnership with NBC Sports
Sells products like polo shirts, swim trunks, putters, other apparel
Collabs with brands like Yeti, Callaway to create premium golf gear
Content Highlights
Live Events – Has NBC Sports partnership. Produced 1st event alone, drove 1M+ live viewers. In 2024 expanded partnership for distribution to YouTube, Peacock, and Golf Channel. Events include 2024’s WM Phoenix Open, Feb 2025’s Good Good Desert Knockout, and May 2025’s Good Good Championship, a tournament designed to find “the next great golfer”
Professional & Celebrity Activations – Collabs with celebs like Steph Curry and golf pros like Jason Day
General Educational Content – Videos that teach golf basics and mechanics, help GG reach broad set of golf fans on YouTube
Company Highlights
1.75M subscribers,16%+ TTM subscriber Growth
498M lifetime views, 29%+ TTM Views Growth
Signed golf stars Joel Dahmen, Michael Block, Jon Pak, and Beau Hossler
Active partnership with NBC Sports and GOLF Channel around tournaments
Top-selling products at Dick’s Sporting Goods
Ownership stake in L.A. Golf Club
Capital Markets History
March 2025: Raised $45M from Creator Sports Capital and other investors
Seems to have been incubated under Scoreboard Ventures (where GG cofounder Matt Kendrick is a partner), which specializes in “creating, building and investing in early stage sports, eSports, technology and digital content companies”
–INVESTOR: Creator Sports Capital–
Overview
Affiliated with Creator Capital, does investment and incubation of startups within the creator economy
Launched Creator Sports Capital in 2025 to focus on traditional and emerging areas of sports
Founded by Benjamin Grubbs (former YouTube) and Brian Kabot
Company Highlights
Creator Capital has 12 investments and 2 incubated startups
Exited 2 startups: 1BStories and Electric Monster (our deal writeup)
Investment Criteria
CSC is focused on future of commerce, entertainment, and sports assets within the creator economy
“Significant participation” from Manhattan West Private Equity, Sunflower Bank, and Peyton Manning’s Omaha Productions
50+ global investors joined round, many with deep connection to golf (including one of our RockWater clients!)
Select Manhattan West Private Equity Media Investments:
100Thieves
Discord
Round Room
Post Deal Ops
Not disclosed
Strategic Rationale
“Global expansion across content, retail, and live experiences”
Develop more scripted and unscripted content with NBC Sports and Omaha Productions
Hire new sales team to expand distribution to 20,000 US pro shops
GG felt tapped out in products space due to large cash investment required, will now expand golf merch and equipment ines
Create content and merch for new global markets like Asia and Australia, which are home to five of GG’s top 10 viewing cities
In Asia will subtitle and translate audio, and may hire local creators in markets like Korea and Japan
Wants to become one of top 5 biggest global golf companies
–WHAT ELSE I FIND INTERESTING–
Good Good Golf is a pioneer in sports x social commerce. Content is created around a specific fandom in golf, which builds audience loyalty and engagement. This is then monetized through advertiser partnerships and product sales. The content serves as GG’s marketing and user acquisition engine. This biz model is attractive because the content spend minimizes need for high marketing costs, enabling a high-margin D2C consumer products business. We’re seeing more of these types of businesses emerge, across a variety of categories from candy and kids toys to gardening and pets. Other case studies include (2) TCG’s investment in Epic Gardening, to fuel expansion into e-commerce and branded products, and (2) our client Little Chonk, which built a passionate community around pet and lifestyle content, and translated that into a fast-growing D2C and media business (events, newsletters, etc). Excited to see the social commerce model expand into various sports verticals…like Tennis!
The Rise of YouTube Golf. In July, 2024, The Athletic covered how golf stars such as Bryson DeChambeau rack up millions of views on their social channels. From April-June 2024, YouTube reported 4.3B golf video views on the platform, showing strong demand by golf fans and enthusiasts. YouTube’s free unlimited content and golf subcultures makes the platform a strong choice for golf fans looking for a wide array of golf content, from practice tips and how-to videos, to industry news, events coverage, player stories, comedy, and more. This is a richer and more accessible fan experience VS what the typical TV broadcasters offer around the PGA and LIV events coverage…though putting the power of both premium tournament events and social-native content is an exciting vision for how the new and old golf content world can thrive together.
Investment coincides with sharp rise in PGA ratings. The PGA tour reported a 15% YoY increase in Nielsen’s traditional ratings in 2025. This was likely driven by the tour working to better serve fans and core audiences, which is predominantly white, male, and middle aged. Good Good Golf bridges the gap between PGA’s traditional audience and younger, digital-native golf fans. The GG teams blends pro level content with challenges and celeb activations, catering to modern viewing preferences that extend beyond tournaments. Younger fans are more engaged with social-first, diverse content across digital platforms, and Good Good’s content allows them to reach both traditional and emerging golf audiences in a way that typical broadcasters, such as LIV and PGA, do not.
Next up, Tennis? Tennis has a sizable global following, and the fans between golf and tennis have much demo overlap, e.g. high average incomes, age range, and that both seek premium destination experiences around sports events. Further, many of tennis’s top stars have online fanbases that are in the millions, with top stars well above that. Further, the game of tennis can be reimagined and repackaged via challenges and talent collaborations, a la GG style, which will perform well on YouTube, and help make the game more accessible and compelling to younger tennis fans. (I wish our team had more time to research YouTube tennis content, will have to put that on the to-do list!)
The power of tournaments and talent collabs. The first GG tournament is this May, the Good Good Championship and will focus on “showing off the talents of our audience.” The community activation will drive further engagement from their fan and player community. In February, the Company collaborated with eSports star Nadeshot, creator Zach King, and comedian Andrew Santino. The talent collaborations helped GG reach new audiences, and recruit them to the GG ecosystem. Part of a content theme we’ve often written about, where increasingly, sports fans are more loyal to athletes, VS leagues or teams
No Highmount on the cap table. The new fund is best known for their $100M+ investment into Dude Perfect (our deal writeup). Based on GG being a sports-focused creator economy bet, and also based in Texas like Dude Perfect, we would have expected Highmount on the cap table. There could be many reasons for this: misalignment on deal terms / structure or company values, didn’t meet investment criteria, or Highmount was simply focused on other investments?
I’m the founder of RockWater Industries. We do M&A and strategy advisory for creator economy and digital agencies. From buy / sell-side M&A and fundraising, to consumer research and go-to-market planning.
M&A analysis of the creator economy to make you a better operator and investor.
Today we discuss Fox’s acquisition of Red Seat Ventures, including the deal details, strategic rationale, and why the deal signals strong M&A momentum for creators x podcasting in 2025.
Let’s break it down…
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NOTE: We know the RSV founding team well, and have worked with them. Therefore, we can’t go into details about estimating financials and deal details, and will focus our analysis on public domain info.
–TARGET: Red Seat Ventures–
Overview
Provides production, distribution, branding, sales, and back office services for creators
Focus on right-leaning political / news, opinion, entertainment, true crime, sports content
Focus in audio and video podcasts, streaming shows, and other programming
Helps creators build and grow D2C media businesses and personal brands
Tubi – FAST platform + Credible, Blockchain Creative Labs, entire Fox Technology org
Fox Nation – Subscription based service offering political content, documentaries, and opinion shows
Stock Price
$51.17 as of 2.12.25
Up 11.6% MoM
Up 86% YoY
Financials
(via public filings and stockanalysis.com)
2024 FY Revenue of $15.2B
2024 Rev growth 4%
2024 EBITDA of $3.5B
Valuation
Mkt Cap: $23.54B
C&CE: $3.3B
Total Debt: $8.1B
Enterprise Value: $28.66B
8.3x 2024 est. EV/EBITDA
Capital Markets History
Raised $1.25B debt financing in Oct ‘23
IPO’d in 2019, relisted when separated from 21st Century Fox
Recent Media M&A History
2019: Sold 21st Century Fox assets to Disney:
Stake in Hulu
FX Networks & National Geographic
20th Century Fox Film and Television Studios
2020: Acquired Tubi for $490M, a large FAST platform
2021: Acquired Outkick, right-leaning sports and political commentary website
–DEAL DETAILS–
Overview
No deal details disclosed
Post Deal Ops
Tubi CEO Paul Cheesbrough to become RSV’s chairman
Balfe bros will operate RSV independently within Fox’s Tubi Media Group
Former Fox talent will not be employed by Fox
Strategic Rationale
Helps Fox reach new fans as linear viewership declines
Helps Fox activate broadcast talent and linear IP in digital media channels
Adds pipeline of talent and audio / video portfolio into Fox streaming services like Tubi, Fox Nation, and new planned sports and news-oriented service in 2025
Expand RSV service offerings for creators while maintaining independence of their individual brands
Expand RSV into other genres including sports and entertainment
–WHAT ELSE I FIND INTERESTING–
A bet on the next generation of media consumers. Fox seeks to attract younger audiences like Gen Z and millennials, whose media consumption is digital and creator-led. Further, older audiences like Gen X and Baby Boomers are increasing their digital and creator watch-time.
Podcasting M&A is seeing new momentum.The Fox / RSV deal follows 2024’s landmark acquisition of Veritone ONE and Oxford Road by Insignia Capital (our deal analysis). Like creator economy, podcasting is heating up after a down period in dealmaking between summer 2022 through Q3 2024.
Expect more traditional news M&A. Most traditional news media brands are talking to podcasters and digital creators for either buyout or licensing deals.
Venu shut-down a catalyst for More Fox digital M&A. With Venu, the 3-way JV sports streamer between Fox / Disney / WBD, now being shut down due to Disney buying a majority stake in Fubo, we expect Fox to find new ways to be aggressive in growing its digital audiences. The RSV acquisition is a strong move here. Further, while RSV focuses on political / news content, it will also be a vehicle to expand sports and sports-adjacent content for Fox, a key focus area for the parent co.
Fox is smart to let RSV remain independent. RSV will operate independently within Tubi, and removed from Fox News channel. This gives RSV talent the independence they want, but also opens up new ways to collaborate with Fox. A smart way to structure the deal, get it over the goal line, and ensure strong goodwill between RSV and its talent clients post acquisition.
New model for media ownership. Fox is adapting to the new media landscape, where creators want ownership and independence, but need support to scale. In this deal Fox backs creators that drive value back to the company. It also signals how Fox will support the next generation of talent going forward, which will Fox help recruit a broader talent network for continued growth as it aligns with new industry norms. Again, a smart move.
Origin story highlights an important career throughline in RSV founders. RSV CEO Chris Balfe has been a media disruptor for media personalities for a long time, dating back to 2003. From Variety, “Chris Balfe worked for years with another Fox News exile, Glenn Beck, helping him with his production company, Mercury Radio Arts, as well as his media outlet, TheBlaze.” Very early in the media disruption lifecycle, the Balfes saw the talent-led opportunity in D2C and digital. They learned and buit the playbook with a prominent talent in the early 2000s, and built an incredible business applying it to the next generation of talent.
Content-related liability. In 2024 Fox paid a $787M settlement to Domion Voting Systems related to DVS’s defamation lawsuit against Fox. With RSV’s talent-led media brands remaining independent and outside the control of Fox, but RSV being owned by Fox and RSV talent contributing content to Fox’s O&O media network, the deal raises questions about what new and different content-related liability concerns could arise. It’s a new model, and I’m not an expect here, but its worth tracking since we expect to see more similar M&A. This dynamic will be something creator x media execs and dealmakers will have to sort through, and create new operating / governance / contractual systems for as the media landscape evolves.
Fox’s outperformance via focus. From Variety, “Though smaller than contemporaries such as Disney or NBCUniversal, Fox has thrived in recent years by casting off assets devoted to traditional scripted entertainment programming and focusing more intently on content meant to be watched live, particularly sports, game shows and news programming.”
A quote from my analysis of the Soros / Hot Ones acquisition is relevant here.
From that blog post…“This is part of a growing theme of politically-oriented buyers and investors increasingly leaning into digital media, and specifically the creator economy. Semafor recently reported that Fox is talking to political media acquisition targets like Red Seat Ventures and The Daily Wire, which are digital-native and lean conservative. Fox might also be looking at audio networks like Audioboom and iHeart. This also makes me think of Highmount’s $100M investment into Dude Perfect (our deal analysis). Makes sense.If you want to influence the masses, you need to go where modern audiences are. And modern media channels, particularly social media, podcasts, and influencers x creators, have an outsized impact on reaching consumers and influencing them. From their purchase decisions, to their voting behavior.Brands and marketers have made the move. Newco launchers have made the move.
And now politically-affiliated parties and investors are starting to pay a lot more attention and put their dollars to work in the creator economy as well. Particularly after the learnings from Trump’s presidential bid win, which is being described as the “first podcast election”.
I’m the founder of RockWater Industries. We do M&A and strategy advisory for creator economy and digital agencies. From buy / sell-side M&A and fundraising, to consumer research and go-to-market planning.